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Re: [dane] direction of effort (was: Re: Second WGLC draft-ietf-dane-smime)

"Garfinkel, Simson L. (Fed)" <simson.garfinkel@nist.gov> Tue, 29 November 2016 14:14 UTC

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From: "Garfinkel, Simson L. (Fed)" <simson.garfinkel@nist.gov>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Thread-Topic: direction of effort (was: Re: [dane] Second WGLC draft-ietf-dane-smime)
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Subject: Re: [dane] direction of effort (was: Re: Second WGLC draft-ietf-dane-smime)
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Hi Stephen,

Thanks for your email.  Much of the DANE-related work that I’ve been doing at NIST is focused on the enterprise of the US Government. However you are correct, the DANE protocols could also be used for enable interoperable e2e email security for consumers. Thanks for the reminder.



> On Nov 21, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hiya,
> 
> I'm just curious...
> 
> On 21/11/16 14:33, Garfinkel, Simson L. (Fed) wrote:
>> We continue to pursue and support R&D efforts to develop SMIME-based
>> approaches to enterprise email security.   Having a stable reference
>> will benefit those efforts.
> 
> Is there a particular reason to try focus on enterprises
> here? I know that's where we started out with smime but
> I'm not sure it's a useful target these days. Wouldn't it
> be more likely more effective if we (for some "we") tried
> to get the largest mail providers to provide some form(s)
> of interoperable e2e email security? If that happened, (*)
> then I suspect many more enterprises would just re-use that
> than would ever deploy something by/for themselves. And if
> we don't end up with e2e email security at the major mail
> providers, then it'll probably not happen within many
> enterprises either. (IOW, maybe the focus on enterprises
> as a target for e2e mail security is a bit 20-th century? :-)
> 
> (*) Yes, there are a bunch of reasons why this is not
> at all likely to happen. However, if we direct our efforts
> elsewhere that is one more nail in that coffin.
> 
> Cheers,
> S.
> 
> PS: I've nothing against the planned experiment here.
> 
> 
>

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