Re: [Danish] Charter Text and the Problem Statement

Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net> Sun, 20 June 2021 14:48 UTC

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From: Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net>
To: Ash Wilson <ash.wilson=40valimail.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Danish] Charter Text and the Problem Statement
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Ash Wilson <ash.wilson=40valimail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> writes:

> I'm very happy to hear that you're interested in how EAP-TLS will fit
> with this effort and I have no objection to including this in the
> charter, as long as the chairs are OK with it.

It does seem to me that EAP-TLS should be considered after the other
parts of the problem space have a good start, unless that someone has a
good case for why they have to be simultaneously worked on.  And there
is nothing wrong with making charter items that outline a series of
things to do.  I'd suggest that based on discussions to date, it sounds
like there are now three major sections, none of which are huge, to work
on:

1. An architecture document
2. Base protocol documents
3. EAP-TLS and other immediate follow on items, if there are agreements
now this this really should be the next step (otherwise rechartering
when 1 and 2 are done and decide on priorities then)

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Wes Hardaker
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