Re: [dhcwg] We can change the world in a 1000 ways (IPv4 over IPv6)

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 12 November 2013 16:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dhcwg] We can change the world in a 1000 ways (IPv4 over IPv6)
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Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> wrote:
    > In the context of http://xkcd.com/927/

this comic part is pretty important context, but many might not have gotten it.

    > This is a call for action to get to 14!

So Ole is saying that we need a 14th specification/standard in order to
bind the existing 13 (although I'm not sure how he got 13)

I'm also dismayed at the number of efforts.
It would be nice to convene a summit of operators (at RIPE or NANOG) and 
describe the various mechanisms and rather than ask them which one they like,
ask them which one they would *NEVER* consider.  That might reduce the
field by half...

My gut is that until we have a unified story and some fielded product on
deploying v4 over v6, that for a number of ISPs, adding v6 is just added cost
with no savings.

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