Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 - how to proceed?
"Woundy, Richard" <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com> Thu, 22 October 2009 19:37 UTC
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To: Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com>
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Subject: Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 - how to proceed?
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Sigh. I guess I wasn't clear in that I hoped to provoke some netbook experts to speak up. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Narten [mailto:narten@us.ibm.com] Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:21 PM To: Woundy, Richard Cc: dhcwg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 - how to proceed? "Woundy, Richard" <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com> writes: > > That said, it is not clear to me that load balancing is actually a > requirement that needs solving. At least not for preboot loading. > I don't have any personal interest in this netboot approach, but I can > understand why load balancing could be interesting to the netbook folks. > After a power outage, I can imagine a lot of devices simultaneously > rebooting, and therefore there may be a much higher load of netboot > traffic. At the same time, one might not want to purchase lots of > netboot servers for a once-a-year power outage event. What I'd like to be very clear about is distinguishing between a feature we think *might* be useful, in a theoretical sense, as opposed to a feature that those doing netboot believe is necessary feature based on the experience we have with netboot today. In this case, I've spoken with one internal person who is familiar with how netboot is used in a certain class of products today, and he asserted that load balancing, at least for the "first stage" boot, was not a requirement. Even in the power failure scenario, the load placed on the first stage boot server can be handled without load balancing. (Later stages in the boot sequence may be different, but for that a different approach would be needed anyway.) He did say that failover, the ability to use a fallback server in case the first server didn't respond could be useful. But this was not for loadbalancing reasons. It was more for dealing with configuration errors, where a machine has been running for months reboots, but the boot server it tries to boot from is no longer available due to a configuration change. Yes, this is an administrative error (the DHC server should have been updated to provide corrected information), but for some reason it was not caught at the time the change was made. Thomas
- [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-net… Damien Neil
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Thomas Narten
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Thomas Narten
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Thomas Narten
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Damien Neil
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Stephen Jacob
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Alfred Hönes
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Bud Millwood
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Jarrod Johnson
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Jarrod Johnson
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Jarrod Johnson
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Jarrod Johnson
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Bud Millwood
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Jarrod Johnson
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Jarrod Johnson
- Re: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Niall.oReilly+lists
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Chuck Anderson
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … H. Peter Anvin
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Niall.oReilly+lists
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Thomas Narten
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … jarrod.b.johnson@gmail.com
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Woundy, Richard
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Thomas Narten
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Woundy, Richard
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Thomas Narten
- Re: [dhcwg] netboot load balancing (was: draft-ie… Thomas Huth
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-opt-netboot-05 … H. Peter Anvin