Re: [Din] kick-start the discussion on DINRG charter revision
Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org> Wed, 22 March 2023 17:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Din] kick-start the discussion on DINRG charter revision
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Hi, On 3/22/23 1:27 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 3/22/23 2:58 AM, Mallory Knodel wrote: > > I do not believe the two topics— blockchain and internet > centralisation— > > are enough alike to justify a simple recharter the DINRG. > > dinrg was not chartered as a blockchain-focused group, but people hear > "decentralization" and immediately think blockchain and distributed > ledgers, so that's largely, but not entirely, what we got. > > <snip> > > FWIW it was often frustrating that it was assumed that dinrg was a > blockchain research group and while we did get participation from > projects using DHTs and whatnot I do think that that incorrect > understanding tended to limit what was actually done. I like the > overall direction of the new proposed charter. > Decentralisation means many things and I, too, have felt frustrated by it only meaning blockchain for years. We may be past this era now and DINRG may be one of many unfortunate artifacts of the time when decentralisation meant blockchain to nearly everyone, but it especially meant blockchain for the vast majority of participants in the RG. I don't know what the intentions were of the chartering process the first time, but I do know that the history of the meetings gives a distinct sense that most if not all presentations and list discussion have ended up being about blockchain. That of course very obviously follows from the old charter, which mentions a lot of issues and specific projects related to blockchain. It does not, very notably, discuss issues of centralisation. So intentionally or unintentionally (though I just demonstrated strong evidence of the intention) what actually happened was DINRG proceeded to discuss blockchain projects and related issues and amassed subscription to the list accordingly. Re-chartering would mean that the list, meeting history, and drafts remain intact based on the old charter. There is likely broad support for the centralisation work. It should go through a chartering process. -Mallory -- Mallory Knodel CTO, Center for Democracy and Technology gpg fingerprint :: E3EB 63E0 65A3 B240 BCD9 B071 0C32 A271 BD3C C780
- [Din] kick-start the discussion on DINRG charter … Lixia Zhang
- Re: [Din] kick-start the discussion on DINRG char… Jens Finkhaeuser
- Re: [Din] kick-start the discussion on DINRG char… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Din] kick-start the discussion on DINRG char… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Din] kick-start the discussion on DINRG char… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Din] kick-start the discussion on DINRG char… Lixia Zhang
- Re: [Din] kick-start the discussion on DINRG char… Lixia Zhang
- Re: [Din] kick-start the discussion on DINRG char… Lixia Zhang