Re: [dispatch] Non-munging mailing list messages
Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> Thu, 15 September 2022 09:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] Non-munging mailing list messages
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On Wed 14/Sep/2022 22:54:04 +0200 John Levine wrote: > It appears that Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> said: >>After some discussion on Mailman-developers[*], I think there is a better way: >>Allow subscribers to choose whether they want From: munging or trust the MLM's >>ARC seals. > > Bitter experience has taught us that asking users to make security decisions > rarely turns out well. I can promise you that ten seconds after you implement > this, some Gmail user will say great, I can turn off the From munging, and > ten seconds after that, will complain that he's not getting list mail. You can send a test message and accept the option after making sure the user received it. (I guess you didn't take a look at that draft's section[*].) >>Would this list implement ARC? > > As you are surely aware, it will when the all of the IETF lists do, > which will be at some time in the future as part of a whole bunch of > mail software upgrades. If we are not going to deploy the discouraged implementation of Mailman 3, what kind of dependency is there? >>Would this list offer a non-munged alternative to subscribers? > > Alternative? I very much doubt it. I'm not clear what you doubt, that there can be alternatives? Would you please expand? >>Would this list's subscribers mark ietf.org as trusted and choose to receive >>non-munged messages? > > How many subscribers do you think are using mail systems where they > have enough control to do that? You and me and hardly anyone else. That's what the experiment aims to find out. Bron, wouldn't fastmail allow you to mark ietf.org as a trusted email forwarder? Is that a per-domain decision? Best Ale -- [*] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-vesely-dmarc-mlm-transform-07#section-3
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