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Laura Atkins <laura@wordtothewise.com> Thu, 07 October 2021 07:48 UTC

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> On 7 Oct 2021, at 01:08, Scott Kitterman <sklist@kitterman.com> wrote:
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> On October 6, 2021 11:37:26 PM UTC, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>> It appears that Alessandro Vesely  <vesely@tana.it> said:
>>> Doug's emphasis on aliases tends to give that impression.  Otherwise it can 
>>> finally be a much needed attempt at formalizing the old, known From: rewriting.
>> 
>> To point out what I would think is obvious, formalizing a bad idea doesn't make
>> it any less bad an idea.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> To give a specific example:
> 
> The mobile mail client I use (K-9 Mail) will either display friendly name or email address.  Due to the compact user interface, both isn't an option.
> 
> There's one Google Group I'm a member of with a number of users with DMARC p=reject domains, so their addresses are rewritten to the list address.  As a result, when people don't bother to say who they are in a message, I end up digging through the message header to find out who wrote it.
> 
> This is not a good user experience.  It's not salvageable.

Agreed. The other day I was trying to refer work to a colleague I’ve only really interacted with on a professional mailing list. Due to header re-writing and no email address in any other place in the email, I didn’t actually have a direct email address for her. 

It’s also become almost impossible to search for messages from some people in some clients because you can’t search on from: address any longer. 

These are usability and UX problems induced by DMARC. 

laura 

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