Re: [dmarc-ietf] making mail not work for your users, was the endless mailing list silliness
Michael Adkins <madkins@fb.com> Wed, 17 April 2013 23:21 UTC
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From: Michael Adkins <madkins@fb.com>
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] making mail not work for your users, was the endless mailing list silliness
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If your goal is to profit from identity theft by impersonating someone else, your best bet is to cast the widest net possible by impersonating the largest organizations that hold user authentication credentials. DMARC is an open version of products that were designed to combat that problem because it was/is the biggest phishing problem. If there was no value to actual email users, it is unlikely that the largest mailbox providers on the internet would have participated in it's creation or deployed it since there would have been nothing in it for them. If we would like to hear about the value to end users, we could probably get one of them to share some high level data about it. On 4/17/13 1:55 PM, "J. Gomez" <jgomez@seryrich.com> wrote: >On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:39 PM [GMT+1=CET], John Levine wrote: > >> Perhaps we could try and think more clearly about providing service to >> actual mail users and less about hypothetical spoofing attacks on >> people who are not plausible spoof targets. > >It's pretty clear by now that DMARC is not about protecting actual email >users, but about protecting big brands from email spoofing their brand. > >Regards, > >J. Gomez > >_______________________________________________ >dmarc mailing list >dmarc@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] A case to be addressed in the BC… J. Gomez
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] A case to be addressed in the BC… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] A case to be addressed in the BC… Franck Martin
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not about outsourcing strategies… John Levine
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not about outsourcing strategies… Franck Martin
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not about outsourcing strategies… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not about outsourcing strategies… Franck Martin
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] the endless mailing list silline… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not about outsourcing strategies… J. Gomez
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not about outsourcing strategies… J. Gomez
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not about outsourcing strategies… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not about outsourcing strategies… J. Gomez
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] the endless mailing list silline… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] the endless mailing list silline… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not about outsourcing strategies… SM
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not about outsourcing strategies… J. Gomez
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] the endless mailing list silline… J. Gomez
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