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Re: [dns-privacy] Authentication in draft-ietf-dprive-opportunistic-adotq

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Mon, 15 February 2021 23:06 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:05:41 -0800
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Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] Authentication in draft-ietf-dprive-opportunistic-adotq
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On Mon, Feb 15, 2021 at 3:04 PM Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
wrote:

>
>
> On 15/02/2021 22:58, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > I don't recall. My sense was that people didn't like it being WebPKI
> rather
> > than DNSSEC, but maybe there's some more fatal reason? If so, I'd
> certainly
> > appreciate a link to that shooting down.
>
> Forget, sorry. Can look tomorrow or maybe someone'll beat
> me to it - best I recall is maybe that renaming loadsa NSes
> is a non-starter, and getting that into the parent zone is
> a double non-starter. Even if you somehow did it alongside
> the current NS names for a while, load-balancing may break
> whenever a non-supporting recursive randomly lands on the
> <sentinel>.example.org instance.
>
> Something like that anyway IIRC.
>

Sure, I can believe that. I'm not any kind of DNS expert, but it's hard to
believe we can't invent *some* signal that you use to ask whoever served
you the NS records.

-Ekr


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