Re: [DNSOP] draft-yao-dnsop-idntld-implementation-01.txt

Todd Glassey <tglassey@earthlink.net> Sat, 07 November 2009 21:00 UTC

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James Seng wrote:
> "There is a genuine user problem here (though whether one should 
> actually solve it is still an open question)."
If DNS was run more like a  search system the possibilities of address 
resolution are endless. The same is true of ENUM lookups as well. All we 
need is Root Search Servers and well known addresses for them and poof. 
DNS goes away and a fully TCP based authenticated http type query and 
response API could seamlessly replace DNS.

Todd Glassey
>
> It is a genuine user problem but I disagree with your latter statement.
>
> It is not an open question it must be solved. It is a serious enough 
> problem for Chinese that it must be resolve for the Chinese user. The 
> open question is "how", not "if".
>
> For some background on CJK ideograph, you may refer to an expired 
> draft I wrote many years ago
>
> http://james.seng.sg/files/draft-ietf-idn-cjk-01.pdf
>
> RFC 3743 will also be a good point of reference.
>
> -James Seng
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@shinkuro.com 
> <mailto:ajs@shinkuro.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 07:06:38PM +0000, Alex Bligh wrote:
>
>     > I should probably declare my hand in that I think in most cases the
>     > variant stuff is a non-problem (blocking is adequate apart from
>     > where the user is likely to mistype themselves)
>
>     According to some people I'm inclined to believe (I can't say this
>     from personal experience), in non-alphabetic scripts there is indeed a
>     serious problem with respect to variants.  It's not actually like the
>     case of (say) colour vs. color, because users tend to have access to
>     one version or another of the "same" character, but that character is
>     actually encoded under Unicode as a different character.  This is, I
>     am led to believe, a very common problem in areas where, for instance,
>     Simplified and Traditional Chinese characters are both in regular use.
>     The upshot is that every competent user of the language will recognize
>     two different arrangements of symbols as "the same word", each user
>     will be able to type one or the other of the arrangements (but not
>     both) at their keyboard, and yet the two different arrangements do not
>     constitute equvalent labels.  So, it's as though by configuring your
>     system with locale en-CA, you were _unable_ to type "color.com
>     <http://color.com>" into a
>     resolution context.  There is a genuine user problem here (though
>     whether one should actually solve it is still an open question).
>
>     Best,
>
>     A
>
>     --
>     Andrew Sullivan
>     ajs@shinkuro.com <mailto:ajs@shinkuro.com>
>     Shinkuro, Inc.
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