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Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hoffman-dnssec-iana-cons

Valery Smyslov <smyslov.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 30 December 2020 10:29 UTC

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From: Valery Smyslov <smyslov.ietf@gmail.com>
To: 'Paul Wouters' <paul@nohats.ca>, 'Tim Wicinski' <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: 'Paul Hoffman' <paul.hoffman@icann.org>, 'dnsop' <dnsop@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hoffman-dnssec-iana-cons
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Hi,

> > How about instead of loosening the requirement, we take the top 64 values, allocate them as
> > either Experimental or FCFS, and it is explicitly noted NOT REQUIRED (or NO ONE WILL IMPLEMENT
> > THESE FOR YOU).
> >
> > That would leave the registry with the strict requirements and allow items to get code points.
> >
> > Too simple an answer?
> 
> I think this is the best solution. There just will be nation state
> crypto, and this allows those to exist. And we still keep control
> of limiting the international ciphers by the IETF to the small
> subset we think is good, hopefully preventing new long tails of
> obsolete ciphers.

I agree, except that I'd make allocation policy Specification (or RFC) Required and not FCFS or Experimental.
Because I believe that _some_ bar should exist, not to make this area a garbage bin...

Regards,
Valery.

> Paul
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