Re: [DNSOP] on private use TLDS

David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> Wed, 04 December 2019 16:45 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] on private use TLDS
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[Sorry for the slow response — US holidays and a resolution not to look at my computer over said holidays got in the way]

Doug,

On Nov 27, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us> wrote:
> I agree with Matt, Bill Woodcock, Steve Crocker, and others that have expressed that we should stay out of ISO's sandbox.

No one is suggesting we get into their sandbox.

> Whatever the rules are today, they can change, and poaching their stuff for our purposes is bad form (and yes, I feel that poaching is what is being proposed, in spite of the arguments to the contrary).

I’m confused. ISO 3166 says a set of codes are intended for user defined purposes. What is being proposed is using those codes for user defined purposes. How can this be construed as poaching?

> ICANN has already said that it's not going to ever delegate CORP, HOME, or MAIL.

No, ICANN has not said that.

Regards,
-drc
(Speaking for myself, not any organization I may be affiliated with)