Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any-04.txt
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From: "Wessels, Duane" <dwessels@verisign.com>
To: Richard Gibson <rgibson@dyn.com>
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> On Feb 13, 2017, at 9:50 AM, Richard Gibson <rgibson@dyn.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Robert Edmonds <edmonds@mycre.ws> wrote: > You think this would actually provide any sort of useful information? No > operator would understand what "MBZ: 0xNNNN" means without re-training, > and if you're re-training operators you may as well point them to this > document. > > I think it would be _very_ useful. People easily forget new information, but seeing unexpected data like that would provide the necessary trigger for remembering this document and e.g. retrying with +tcp. I dislike the idea of a EDNS "partial response" flag. Tools like dig, when asked to issue an ANY query over UDP can: 1) fail with "ANY over UDP is deprecated", or 2) warn with "ANY over UDP might give partial results", or 3) automatically use TCP DW
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- [DNSOP] Review of draft [draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft [draft-ietf-dnsop-ref… Ólafur Guðmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Ólafur Guðmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Woodworth, John R
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Wessels, Duane
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Ólafur Guðmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Wessels, Duane
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Vernon Schryver
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Brian Dickson
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-a… Tony Finch