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Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-01.txt

Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Thu, 21 February 2019 19:34 UTC

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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 06:34:04 +1100
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-pusateri-dnsop-update-timeout-01.txt
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Mark Andrews

> On 22 Feb 2019, at 06:21, 神明達哉 <jinmei@wide.ad.jp> wrote:
> 
> At Wed, 20 Feb 2019 07:51:51 -0500,
> Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote:
> 
> > The crux of the use case seems to be that it is commonplace for names in the DNS to exist for short periods of time and that for some applications a name that overstays its welcome can cause an operational problem.
> > 
> > While I can understand the philosophical desire to complete the UPDATE specification so that it is possible to engineer around this scenario, I don't see the practical application.
> 
> I happen to know there's a practical application related to this
> proposal..  As Mark says not all DHCP servers behave politely; there
> are servers that just add RRs via DDNS and forget them.  We could say
> that it's a problem of poorly implemented DDNS clients, not something
> that should be solved in the DNS protocol.  I wouldn't necessarily be
> opposed to that view.  In fact, given the higher bar with the "camel"
> test, I'm not yet really convinced about the need for a protocol-based
> solution to this problem either.  But at least this is related to a
> practical problem, not just a philosophical one.
> 
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> JINMEI, Tatuya
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