Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> Sun, 24 March 2019 14:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator
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first, thank you for this statement, and for the policies it describes.

Puneet Sood wrote on 2019-03-22 15:08:
> ...
> 
> As a core principle, Google Public DNS aims to provide a DNS resolver
> that respects our users’ privacy. Towards that goal, we aim to provide
> high quality implementations of various DNS transport mechanisms that
> our users can use to reach the service. This includes the traditional
> UDP and TCP transports as well as DNS-over-TLS and DNS-over-HTTPS that
> provide privacy for the user’s communication with a DNS resolver.
> 
> -Puneet Sood
> TL/Manager for the Google Public DNS team.
this position (for google public dns) is inconsistent with the google 
chrome design description here:

Kenji Baheux wrote on 2019-03-23 22:43:
>>     2) What other reasons are you considering when doing DOH instead of DOT
>>     to protect privacy. >
 > We are not considering DOT, just DOH.

this disparity is concerning. for reasons amply described here...

> From: Brian Dickson <brian.peter.dickson@gmail.com>;
> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 04:48:27 -0700
> Message-ID: <CAH1iCipSi+kT32d78Pi+hwPNyuw=iN3UTJmScNRS+UG+88G1zA@mail.gmail.com>;
> Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/ZKhwanjOyj5YtxzH4QOs8IsPsEs>

...i remain hopeful that google will adopt a DoT support policy for all 
services (such as Public DNS) _and all products_ (such as Chrome).

-- 
P Vixie