Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-serve-stale-03.txt

Puneet Sood <puneets@google.com> Mon, 04 March 2019 23:25 UTC

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From: Puneet Sood <puneets@google.com>
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 18:24:57 -0500
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-serve-stale-03.txt
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Tim, Paul,

Thanks for the feedback. Working on clarifying the recommendations.

-Puneet

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 8:34 PM Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Proposal: Put all recommendations in Section 4, and talk about them
> (instead of introducing them) in the other sections. That way, a lazy
> developer who only reads Section 4 will know all the recommendations."
>
> I totally agree here.  It also makes it easier if the document passed WGLC
> and moves along the standards process train.
>

> Tim
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 2:51 PM Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Following up on my previous message:
>>
>> The document is actively confusing about recommendations.
>>
>> - Section 4 has the actual update to the RFC 1035, and that update
>> contains MAY and SHOULD statements.
>>
>> - Section 5 is called "Example Method" but also contains recommendations.
>>
>> - Section 6, "Implementation Caveats" also has recommendations. A
>> subsection, "6.1. Implementation Considerations" has more recommendations.
>>
>> Proposal: Put all recommendations in Section 4, and talk about them
>> (instead of introducing them) in the other sections. That way, a lazy
>> developer who only reads Section 4 will know all the recommendations.
>>
>> --Paul Hoffman
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