Re: [DNSOP] More complete review of draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-01

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Mon, 06 January 2014 08:40 UTC

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From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
To: Christian Grothoff <grothoff@in.tum.de>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] More complete review of draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names-01
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On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 10:36:10PM +0100,
 Christian Grothoff <grothoff@in.tum.de> wrote 
 a message of 245 lines which said:

> It is unclear to me how we even _could_ provide such a stable
> document, especially for Namecoin and I2P where I don't even see
> academic publications documenting the system on the horizon.

Also, the request from Andrew Sullivan to have "stable" references is
reasonable (it would be better to have "stable" references) but it is
a "nice to have", it is not mandatory in IETF processes here (RFC
6761, section 4 does not require it, nor any general RFC or IETF
process document does, for instance RFC 2223 - or its never-approved
successor - does not mention that requirment).