[E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IETF should warn against its use
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Subject: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IETF should warn against its use
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Dom Robinson looped me in and I now joined the mailing list. I was surprised to see that kWh/GB and equivalents as measures of electricity use of networks and sometimes wider; datacenters and consumer electronics, are seriously mentioned by some people on this list. kWh/GB is one of the most misleading and scientifically incorrect ways of describing the energy use of networks. Even a cursory glance of the academic literature shows that estimates range so far and wide that there must be something wrong with it. A slightly deeper analysis would show there is no basis in physics, electrical engineering, optical and wireless networking, protocol design or computer science for relating electricity to an arbitrary selection of groupings of 8 billion bits, modulated, transmitted and received over a signal, while generally omitting large numbers of other modulations of bits on the same signal. Now I have only a degree in Public Administration, so I may not know perfectly where and how energy use in networks is affected, but I do deal with the fall out when others get it wrong, because it stimulates bad ideas for regulation that would break the internet instead of save energy. So this is a plea for some good data and metrics. There are several problems with the metric: 1. Physics: The energy consumption of networking equipment is to a large extent based on how far the signal needs to travel, spectral bandwidth and the medium that it is transmitted over. When transmitted through copper generally more energy is needed to achieve a distance and the signal fades quicker than over fibre. In wireless networks the frequency and coverage area affect energy use. Modulations can affect energy use, but to a much lesser extent than distance, area, spetral use, medium etc. 2. Electrical/optical engineering: Emitting a signal through the use of electro/optical waves is one thing, the detection of signals appears to be a greater problem. This was known in the first telegraph systems and demonstrated when increasing power blew up the first transatlantic telegraph. In order to limit noise and all kinds of artifacts and to best detect signals a lower power bearer is preferred. Less power, less noise, more signal, the exact opposie of kWh/GB 3. networking: the essence of networking is to communicate. In order to be able to communicate, devices need to be active to receive. Receiving requires energy even when no human or machine interpretable data is received. At the same time for many types of networking there is a need either to have occasional signals exchanged to validate the state of the network, to update locations of mobile equipment etc. This uses energy regardless of whether it is identified as traffic. The otherwise really bad article on Base Station Energy use in Finland by prof. Manner and associates has some graphs that show really well how base stations use energy even when there is (hardly) any traffic. The difference between little use and some use of the equipment is 10-30%, though it is doubtful this is GB related, it could well be because there are users active and they need to be managed and slots need to be chosen for them. At least energy usage doesn't follow GB very well, which seems to me a strong indication that there is not a good correlation, because the resolution appears to be per 5 minutes or per hour and I would expect that at such large resolutions the correlation to be more smooth. https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/mediastore_new/IEEE/content/media/6287639/10005208/10005276/huttu11-3234192-large.gif and https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/mediastore_new/IEEE/content/media/6287639/10005208/10005276/huttu12-3234192-large.gif 4. Protocol and standard design: Layer 1 and 2 standards determine distance, modulation etc and as a result how and when transmitters and receivers are active or that they are active all the time. Quite alot of bits and bytes are headers and related to network control. They somehow don't feature in many calculations. Neither do we see mention of encryption and decryption of signals in the analysis of energy use. It would appear such characteristics might influence energy use. Routing, roaming etc all appear to have some relevance to how network equipment uses energy 5. Omissions of signals; In reports on energy use of consumer broadband networks the transmission of IP-TV or DVB-C bits, whether they use multicast or unicast appear to be omitted from the calculations. This is quite odd because those modulations make use of the same equipment and signals. It would also appear that including them would make the kWh/GB metric more favorable for those operating the networks. Similarly B2B traffic, roaming traffic, MVNOs etc are at times excluded from the tally of GB. 6. Computer science: The effort that is needed to process data in digital systems appears to be very much related to the intentions of the sender and receiver of those data. The intentions determine the type of network used, the distance covered, protocols and technologies used.The same file received from a CDN 20km away is different than from a server 11,000km away. In addition further processing is often included in calculations, but not well differentiated. A webpage can by plain HTML, but the same plain HTML can also cause all kinds of calculations based on the browser and the intentions of the users. Apart from theoretical the empirical data also shows the same results. In the presentation I gave to the students at this weeks RIPE event i showed some examples of stable or declining energy use in networks, where the amount of data transmitted did rise over the same period. This would suggest that in live networks there is no correlation between GB however defined and kWh. Furthermore so far attempts at using kWh/GB in any kind of extrapolation or assessment have resulted in gross imperfections. I included some of them in the presentation, but the way prof. Manner calculated the energy use of mobile data in Finland and came up with a figure double of fixed and mobile networks in Finland use together and triple that of what Finnish mobile networks report should be a clear indication that no scientific value can be found in the use of kWh/GB. Lunden, Bergmark and Malmoding give some early indications on how to assess energy use at the scale of a network and country. https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/14/5/2637?trk=public_post_comment-text Unfortunately that isn't the level where the IETF plays a significant role. However the IETF might play a role in clearly signalling that kWh/GB is a sure sign that the assessment of the ecological impact of the Internet will be incorrect in the study that uses it and that the study can most likely be disregarded.
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Rudolf van der Berg
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Vesna Manojlovic
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Dom Robinson
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Romain Jacob
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Rudolf van der Berg
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Romain Jacob
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Rudolf van der Berg
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Marie-Paule Odini
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Toerless Eckert
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Rudolf van der Berg
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Rudolf van der Berg
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Alexandre Petrescu
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Rudolf van der Berg
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Dom Robinson
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Rudolf van der Berg
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Dom Robinson
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Cedric Westphal
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Cedric Westphal
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Rudolf van der Berg
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Alexander Clemm
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Hesham ElBakoury
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Jari Arkko
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Manner Jukka
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Toerless Eckert
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Dom Robinson
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… mp
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… mp
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- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Alexander Clemm
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Marie-Paule Odini
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Rudolf van der Berg
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Toerless Eckert
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Marie-Paule Odini
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] kWh/GB should be banned and the IE… mp
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