Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal
"Stephen [kiwin] PALM" <palm@broadcom.com> Thu, 30 June 2011 16:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal
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It is not for "us" to decide when a user's network is not worth expending any more energy on. They have deployed their network... and do not want to expend any more energy themselves. If their SP deploys IPv6 inelegantly, the user would have a lot of frustration/work. Which will generate many expensive tech support calls... and potentially lost customers. It's not the protocols... it's the DEPLOYED APPLICATIONS and DEVICES that users have. regards, kiwin On 6/30/2011 9:11 AM, Ralph Droms (rdroms) wrote: > > "Gone" isn't so important as "not worth expending any more energy on.". So I'm with Keith and would like to find some words like "when it doesn't take any more work." > > - Ralph > > On Jun 30, 2011, at 12:00 PM, "Fernando Gont"<fernando@gont.com.ar> wrote: > >> On 06/30/2011 12:46 PM, Keith Moore wrote: >>> I'd like for this group to relax the "wherever possible" bit, so as to not preclude solutions where IPv6 can do a better job than IPv4. >>> >>> IPv4 is a dinosaur gasping for its last breaths. >> >> Just curious: when you expect IPv4 to be gone? (including "gone" from >> home and enterprise networks) >> >> Thanks, >> -- >> Fernando Gont >> e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org >> PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fun mailing list >> fun@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fun > _______________________________________________ > fun mailing list > fun@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fun > -- Stephen [kiwin] Palm Ph.D. E: palm@kiwin.com Senior Technical Director T: +1-949-926-PALM Broadcom Broadband Communications Group F: +1-949-926-7256 Irvine, California W: http://www.kiwin.com Secondary email accounts: stephenpalm@alumni.uci.edu palm@broadcom.com s.palm@ieee.org palm@itu.ch spalm@cs.cmu.edu palm@ics.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp
- Re: [fun] HOMENET working group proposal Jari Arkko
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Jari Arkko
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Fernando Gont
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Mark Townsley
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Jari Arkko
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Fernando Gont
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Fernando Gont
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Stephen [kiwin] PALM
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Keith Moore
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Stephen [kiwin] PALM
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Weil, Jason
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Stephen [kiwin] PALM
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Mark Townsley
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Keith Moore
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Fernando Gont
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Keith Moore
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Ralph Droms (rdroms)
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Stephen [kiwin] PALM
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Ralph Droms (rdroms)
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Mark Townsley
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Keith Moore
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… james woodyatt
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Edward Arthurs
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Mark Andrews
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… james woodyatt
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Mark Townsley
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Mark Townsley
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Martin Focazio
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… JP Vasseur (jvasseur)
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Keith Moore
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… james woodyatt
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Keith Moore
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Kenneth Voort
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Keith Moore
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Keith Moore
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Doug Barton
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… james woodyatt
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Doug Barton
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Keith Moore
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Kenneth Voort
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Erik Kline
- Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group propos… Keith Moore