Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

"Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com> Thu, 30 June 2011 10:53 UTC

Return-Path: <pthubert@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: fun@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: fun@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D73621F86E2; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:53:48 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -11.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qcl0Dhglk7ft; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:53:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A8D21F86AC; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:53:47 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=pthubert@cisco.com; l=959; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1309431227; x=1310640827; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to:cc; bh=F1G4sF0wTufITEnXncVNRIs8Nzlus7JcCeMeWVCvqOw=; b=LHgBC/7ERD835oFC+atOlaWe7KSmIqSX1d3/1kR6W+IVJNJKrZnwv6hy A4mfSbPab/ePmCh209G6rmQ4mE0ZIFewQqWy/sXz8kg0L5UocfV0QUzUe +cFOY/ohfH0N98INqnNNWBRJmKJKSYco+JPcx9rmEqf+QxWo4xFDZde4N E=;
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAP9UDE6Q/khL/2dsb2JhbABSp1N3iHiga54WhjEEly6LMQ
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,449,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="39998362"
Received: from ams-core-2.cisco.com ([144.254.72.75]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jun 2011 10:53:33 +0000
Received: from xbh-ams-201.cisco.com (xbh-ams-201.cisco.com [144.254.75.7]) by ams-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5UArUSi008338; Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:53:30 GMT
Received: from xmb-ams-107.cisco.com ([144.254.74.82]) by xbh-ams-201.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:53:31 +0200
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 12:53:25 +0200
Message-ID: <6A2A459175DABE4BB11DE2026AA50A5D04FAE6D4@XMB-AMS-107.cisco.com>
In-Reply-To: <4E0C49CD.30505@piuha.net>
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Thread-Topic: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal
Thread-Index: Acw3DOnOo1pL3PujS8ii/5j3somAQQABec+w
References: <4E0AE696.4020603@piuha.net> <4E0BDCF3.1090003@gont.com.ar><alpine.DEB.2.00.1106300707370.19581@uplift.swm.pp.se><4E0C1CF8.7090601@gont.com.ar> <4E0C4417.90804@piuha.net><4E0C4631.3010409@gont.com.ar> <4E0C49CD.30505@piuha.net>
From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar>
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2011 10:53:31.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[F332A2B0:01CC3713]
Cc: IETF Discussion <ietf@ietf.org>, fun@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal
X-BeenThere: fun@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: "FUture home Networking \(FUN\)" <fun.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/fun>, <mailto:fun-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/fun>
List-Post: <mailto:fun@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:fun-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/fun>, <mailto:fun-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:53:48 -0000

> That is the plan. And when I say "differently", I mean differences
such as
> 
> * prefix delegation
> * global addresses and firewalls instead of private addresses and NATs
> * across-subnet communication internally in the home can be routed,
not
> NATted
> 

[Pascal] I'd add to that multiple virtual topologies, and heterogeneous
subnets where even the link layer is not consistent across the subnet.

Automation and command/control already uses wireless technologies that
are non WIFI; ISA100.15 already works on backhaul technologies; the IETF
is missing a clear model to explain them how we isolate flows and merge
heterogeneous links into one subnet. 

I think there is a lot this group can do to pursue / extend what was
done at 6LoWPAN (ND, backbone router) so that the work there connects to
the rest of the home, and by extension, the rest of other networks such
as building and industrial plants.

Cheers,

Pascal