Re: [gaia] Ammbr: Happy Marriage of mesh and blockchain

Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> Sat, 12 August 2017 14:23 UTC

Return-Path: <vint@google.com>
X-Original-To: gaia@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gaia@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F85131D27 for <gaia@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:23:29 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.699
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OHoPwIEKvS14 for <gaia@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:23:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-yw0-x231.google.com (mail-yw0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FFC3131D2F for <gaia@irtf.org>; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:23:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-yw0-x231.google.com with SMTP id s143so36012383ywg.1 for <gaia@irtf.org>; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:23:25 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ONIv15gIMpSp6Y+4k/nwfDngJW1SvESApGQDjQXM+I8=; b=YJcnCmYxIuoxdhCQkaE59bc6B+6y51eGKx0IyHvUzFj6WwYGxmpjxAlLcXx/GQA3ID Xap7bjNVE0eSkHNGh+GCNeUkPqHhgbQ2hjTWFQta0jlvq+ZJtGgS7bCraX/cSCkaz7sa Jwg+VXy+b5MyGFweMZDx/pOiLHNz2twC0cXpMPi7EXgm/tATw97NW/TJi4tWc5TykenU VQVcajQp4fgS8HdwnG0yKAeiE6/t7KTXqnxK22OSFpMSUQHXbJkvpvlimSAaUac2trX0 66d4ZguS/YTFbnSrMSHrsLMFoq9PbrS80Jg1WRNYLG+GXH+M94yfo/k/NgzimfamaA26 pmJg==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ONIv15gIMpSp6Y+4k/nwfDngJW1SvESApGQDjQXM+I8=; b=Rw2IKqiOAJt/PRfnZnIBYzbIzcxt4kjcQZzJkkGLtqCqZUlaCvRs0+ocCYL9SgCnul 4hMyitN8pPVaEx8jQ+1j4PmJcXzzilzk+Fwq6PlzwIOIfrYjv6xQ4D6AUxPDiHBScDMg sMr7bD/W6YkDulcDanmiG93SFk42+M5eGb7NM2/ZBapjKo4zIAoOaAFBptCD9K3PIF9L DMGnZdOcZBqrQIrXtE1Po+VcKSWkLrW3Y8AkwFStZzgK+PXGPgL+FFShMTRG36qGWkRw s6ZnmuED3wY9Uz5zexdTpdokE53mhotsSLKuqBOiZvvlvy34Anpz6FgDyvc6lx3TlNwU w8xw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AHYfb5jnAqdvGFp+QGTuEQaORvzDJsZq9nTPZkgQvYy72E7NAoqFspYi n29PrUnYtcmkAJ+dlqQZA1SxJ1HyERZY
X-Received: by 10.129.94.196 with SMTP id s187mr15416790ywb.278.1502547804478; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:23:24 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.37.165.1 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Aug 2017 07:23:23 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CAEeTejL0LW3pEAhyr+AEYSQ+uopdqC_cBfFnDOFXKByZ3snuvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPaG1A=H1esa8amyGE5RatyXY79_B_fRJyT-x=pKXj8X_ULNLQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1AntcktNf+5nU+kFyfBkAdXVF4aTBby9i2bKNaofaZHYFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1AkxMBdNKVY9VdyOsCgFjaTm5mBg56JcH35rfCZFCNDb3w@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1Anct=v3DMgMVGNaQrPA=2PRkeQOWVj3vSDXLFdq=g2GjQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1AnyVs0y5_A=gxVECL0aAX_cTTYBMR5kdz7BFPn-pfZZFA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1Akh+4cKwA_drNyV8tkaL64ertMYu2aeUJLVo_nBSMCCxw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1AmS144xCwZZGys=L+vgv=_0seWNyuXB5A1mdL2E_jkVBg@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1A=4bbOtUthSTcFTWY__Jh+-pGTcRo19ENKgzbCQxdM90A@mail.gmail.com> <CAEeTejKUR2R0ZGr0+6U1g5S-RrT+0TQBa1Nhr-Dp_5PAVWzAow@mail.gmail.com> <CAHxHggev9=8Tvh5csj=PAmfoHQDqEVJUAnv_8=66eugtW4yuRQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAEeTejLtS69q1TH6LSuUGGVR5EgC1K-9Pxm0nDzCrfYAjYwJQg@mail.gmail.com> <CAHxHggcTbHaRPEOgzAN1qt04jK3O++oH5ve6RcgvCuOSQ=agQg@mail.gmail.com> <CAEeTejL0LW3pEAhyr+AEYSQ+uopdqC_cBfFnDOFXKByZ3snuvg@mail.gmail.com>
From: Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:23:23 -0400
Message-ID: <CAHxHggcHWGzwNThZqCZifKYJKEYsEDtODE5SnnDgfw+sqE08DQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jon Crowcroft <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Arjuna Sathiaseelan <arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk>, gaia <gaia@irtf.org>, tier <tier@tier.cs.berkeley.edu>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1141c1f42538db05568f2cd6"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gaia/eon8_FOfU_vinqqrL5Rl3OmwqDs>
Subject: Re: [gaia] Ammbr: Happy Marriage of mesh and blockchain
X-BeenThere: gaia@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: Global Access to the Internet for All <gaia.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/gaia>, <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/gaia/>
List-Post: <mailto:gaia@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia>, <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2017 14:23:29 -0000

thanks Jon

v


On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Jon Crowcroft <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>
wrote:

> there's one of ross anderson's students here already has done part of the
> work - see
> https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~kabhb2/
> the DigiTally system has most the properties you'd want for DTN style
> blockchain currency
>
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 3:07 PM, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote:
>
>> if one of your students has the energy to analyze, Jon :-)
>>
>> v
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Jon Crowcroft <
>> jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> ah, you could run global consensus (blockchain) on the transactions then
>>> use a route later - yes, that'd work....then you could get rid of
>>> reflationary stuff + remove unfairness....would take some care in design....
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jon,
>>>>
>>>> if you do not care about delays and you allow storing (encrypted)
>>>> packets until a link/route is available as in DTN networks, how would this
>>>> analysis change?
>>>>
>>>> vint
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Jon Crowcroft <
>>>> jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> great! fab - checkout this thing we did a while on "currency" & ad hoc
>>>>> nets - there's a bit about inflationary/deflationary tendencies near the
>>>>> end might be worth factoring in...
>>>>> http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~frank/PAPERS/micmahn.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Arjuna Sathiaseelan <
>>>>> arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This article would be of interest to a new initiative to build a
>>>>>> decentralised network using blockchain - technically aiming to build the
>>>>>> world's largest blockchain network: https://medium.com/@globalsecu
>>>>>> repayments/the-happy-marriage-of-mesh-and-blockchain-276cce4a4909
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are doing an initial coin offering September 1st if anyone wants
>>>>>> to invest :) (www.ammbr.com) - white paper will release next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please send me an email (arjuna@ammbr.com) if you are interested to
>>>>>> know more about Ammbr.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> gaia mailing list
>>>>>> gaia@irtf.org
>>>>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> gaia mailing list
>>>>> gaia@irtf.org
>>>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> New postal address:
>>>> Google
>>>> 1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor
>>>> Reston, VA 20190
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> New postal address:
>> Google
>> 1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor
>> Reston, VA 20190
>>
>
>


-- 
New postal address:
Google
1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor
Reston, VA 20190