Re: [gaia] Ammbr: Happy Marriage of mesh and blockchain

Jehan Tremback <jehan@altheamesh.com> Fri, 22 September 2017 14:40 UTC

Return-Path: <jehan@altheamesh.com>
X-Original-To: gaia@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: gaia@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABA7134473 for <gaia@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:40:16 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.954
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.954 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xDY6RfJJMfHt for <gaia@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:40:12 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC9B113308D for <gaia@irtf.org>; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:40:11 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E522320D4D; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:40:09 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:40:09 -0400
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=ovSLoc GGDb0iqlyswy/210ZToM5DQgA+JwbGa8k+qHk=; b=NlspB0rzVSD+Qv0x2lZYad slCl9hFPCK6TqDgXJi4VZV768OrSav7d3TfH2tZEJmpRLbZnGSaIALaWivabcNJ1 hjBcKHrLhlWfmNqQGS6dwOxdGICAr2XutUvs7jQsRPfqcAqWdZK/5mDh13l3/VVI trrzBxNeIZA8pOB5A4vsxf4Mtq1JSmHWJDOO8wZrgzL43vghH33F300DvBvMocRK UpeOmpbDJt6iPgUyn9bFeoP2PIT/DNeTRQ6XcceoVQgas7p3UXgGyY5/3NBmN+EO znTw2YogXEZOsVkig9O6D7c7fnRy3zQW2V1cQkq9BgmVaS8/k6gZkELSUQbuBxPg ==
X-ME-Sender: <xms:ySDFWQNMgNXN_4pXj3FSORznFHUs0lSr2o3XsfQf0f2-H_rIPSO3LA>
Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id BCF6C9EC05; Fri, 22 Sep 2017 10:40:09 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <1506091209.3238374.1114946608.27DF456E@webmail.messagingengine.com>
From: Jehan Tremback <jehan@altheamesh.com>
To: Jane Coffin <coffin@isoc.org>, Arjuna Sathiaseelan <arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk>, Jon Crowcroft <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Cc: gaia <gaia@irtf.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_----------=_150609120932383740"
X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-64b08692
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 07:40:09 -0700
In-Reply-To: <0654444B-9531-417C-AB57-CDCC6A5622DF@isoc.org>
References: <CAPaG1A=H1esa8amyGE5RatyXY79_B_fRJyT-x=pKXj8X_ULNLQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1AntcktNf+5nU+kFyfBkAdXVF4aTBby9i2bKNaofaZHYFQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1AkxMBdNKVY9VdyOsCgFjaTm5mBg56JcH35rfCZFCNDb3w@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1Anct=v3DMgMVGNaQrPA=2PRkeQOWVj3vSDXLFdq=g2GjQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1AnyVs0y5_A=gxVECL0aAX_cTTYBMR5kdz7BFPn-pfZZFA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1Akh+4cKwA_drNyV8tkaL64ertMYu2aeUJLVo_nBSMCCxw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1AmS144xCwZZGys=L+vgv=_0seWNyuXB5A1mdL2E_jkVBg@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1A=4bbOtUthSTcFTWY__Jh+-pGTcRo19ENKgzbCQxdM90A@mail.gmail.com> <CAEeTejKUR2R0ZGr0+6U1g5S-RrT+0TQBa1Nhr-Dp_5PAVWzAow@mail.gmail.com> <CAHxHggev9=8Tvh5csj=PAmfoHQDqEVJUAnv_8=66eugtW4yuRQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAEeTejLtS69q1TH6LSuUGGVR5EgC1K-9Pxm0nDzCrfYAjYwJQg@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1AnFgyjOAvMb5QMTiyb1JWbJ8xrjwHFmFcn-YRSnC8cqMw@mail.gmail.com> <CAEeTejJf2VKGAFWQSas2i3o6ZPFBJXbF+9ezHQ3HkqMZLa0hfg@mail.gmail.com> <CAPaG1AnGTX7RXLH097kn4+=jkHJySEenaiiWMYJYwcrb1yDJjg@mail.gmail.com> <0654444B-9531-417C-AB57-CDCC6A5622DF@isoc.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/gaia/vtNn5FJzDaoWcoii6hnPSvIS1CI>
Subject: Re: [gaia] Ammbr: Happy Marriage of mesh and blockchain
X-BeenThere: gaia@irtf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: Global Access to the Internet for All <gaia.irtf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/options/gaia>, <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/gaia/>
List-Post: <mailto:gaia@irtf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia>, <mailto:gaia-request@irtf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 14:40:16 -0000

For Althea, we use payment channels. These allow payments to be made
with a transaction of a few hundred bytes, sent directly between
neighbors.
http://altheamesh.com/blog/altheas-multihop-payment-channels/


--
  Jehan Tremback
  jehan@altheamesh.com



On Fri, Sep 22, 2017, at 05:07 AM, Jane Coffin wrote:
> Hi All –
>
> Just a reminder to post a note about why you are dropping a link
> into the> GAIA list so that folks have context.
>
> And, a reminder for those that have not been monitoring the list – we> have a call out for presentations at the GAIA meeting during
> IETF 100 in> Singapore.
>
> Please let us know if you would like to present.
>
> Best,
> Jane
> 
> Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org
>
> Skype:  janercoffin
>
> Mobile/WhatsApp:  +1.202.247.8429
>
> On 9/22/17, 4:26 AM, "gaia on behalf of Arjuna Sathiaseelan"
> <gaia-bounces@irtf.org on behalf of arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
>     on a side note related to TEE - saw this post today:
>     https://blog.acolyer.org/2017/09/21/clkscrew-exposing-the-perils-of-security-oblivious-energy-management/amp/>    
>     security risks for Proof of Elapsed Time..
>    
>     Regards
>    
>     On 22 September 2017 at 08:00, Jon Crowcroft
>     <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>     > i think that post confuses bitcoin specifics with how to do
>     > scalable fast>     > consensus - there are quite a few papers on making consensus
>     > scale up to>     > very high speeds- forthcoming conext paper from keshav has some
>     > very>     > impressive transaction rates..
>     > S. Rizvi, B, Wong, and S. Keshav, "Canopus: A Scalable and
>     >    Massively>     > Parallel Consensus Protocol," To appear, Proc. CoNEXT 2017,
>     > December 2017.>     > but for the impatient, you can also read this paper on high
>     > throughput, low>     > latency from folks who are :
>     > very expert in this space (cornell, imperial):
>     > Teechan: Payment Channels Using Trusted Execution Environments
>     > https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.07766
>     >
>     > there's a lot of other solutions out there too (I believe
>     > deepmind/google>     > have some inhouse thing they are working on with a target of 10M>     > trsansactions per sec)....
>     >
>     > much of this depends on the workload assumptions though
>     >
>     > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Arjuna Sathiaseelan
>     > <arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> this post was interesting:
>     >>
>     >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/slow-blockchain-mathematical-certainty-patrick-mcconnell/>     >>
>     >> On 12 August 2017 at 15:02, Jon Crowcroft
>     >> <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>>     >> wrote:
>     >> > ah, you could run global consensus (blockchain) on the
>     >> > transactions then>     >> > use
>     >> > a route later - yes, that'd work....then you could get rid of>     >> > reflationary
>     >> > stuff + remove unfairness....would take some care in
>     >> > design....>     >> >
>     >> > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com>
>     >> > wrote:>     >> >>
>     >> >> Jon,
>     >> >>
>     >> >> if you do not care about delays and you allow storing
>     >> >> (encrypted)>     >> >> packets
>     >> >> until a link/route is available as in DTN networks, how
>     >> >> would this>     >> >> analysis
>     >> >> change?
>     >> >>
>     >> >> vint
>     >> >>
>     >> >>
>     >> >> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Jon Crowcroft
>     >> >> <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> great! fab - checkout this thing we did a while on
>     >> >>> "currency" & ad hoc>     >> >>> nets - there's a bit about inflationary/deflationary
>     >> >>> tendencies near>     >> >>> the end
>     >> >>> might be worth factoring in...
>     >> >>> http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~frank/PAPERS/micmahn.pdf
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Arjuna Sathiaseelan
>     >> >>> <arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> This article would be of interest to a new initiative to
>     >> >>>> build a>     >> >>>> decentralised network using blockchain - technically
>     >> >>>> aiming to build>     >> >>>> the
>     >> >>>> world's largest blockchain network:
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> https://medium.com/@globalsecurepayments/the-happy-marriage-of-mesh-and-blockchain-276cce4a4909>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> We are doing an initial coin offering September 1st if
>     >> >>>> anyone wants>     >> >>>> to
>     >> >>>> invest :) (www.ammbr.com) - white paper will release next
>     >> >>>> week.>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> Please send me an email (arjuna@ammbr.com) if you are
>     >> >>>> interested to>     >> >>>> know
>     >> >>>> more about Ammbr.
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> Regards
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>> _______________________________________________
>     >> >>>> gaia mailing list
>     >> >>>> gaia@irtf.org
>     >> >>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
>     >> >>>>
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>> _______________________________________________
>     >> >>> gaia mailing list
>     >> >>> gaia@irtf.org
>     >> >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
>     >> >>>
>     >> >>
>     >> >>
>     >> >>
>     >> >> --
>     >> >> New postal address:
>     >> >> Google
>     >> >> 1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor
>     >> >> Reston, VA 20190
>     >> >
>     >> >
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> --
>     >> Arjuna Sathiaseelan
>     >> University of Cambridge | GAIUS Networks | Ammbr | GAIA Labs
>     >> Personal: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/
>     >> N4D Lab: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/n4d
>     >
>     >
>    
>    
>    
>     --
>     Arjuna Sathiaseelan
>     University of Cambridge | GAIUS Networks | Ammbr | GAIA Labs
>     Personal: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/
>     N4D Lab: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/n4d
>    
>     _______________________________________________
>     gaia mailing list
>     gaia@irtf.org
>     https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
>    
> _______________________________________________
> gaia mailing list
> gaia@irtf.org
> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia
> Email had 1 attachment:
> + smime.p7s
>   6k (application/pkcs7-signature)