Re: [gaia] Ammbr: Happy Marriage of mesh and blockchain
Jehan Tremback <jehan@altheamesh.com> Fri, 22 September 2017 14:40 UTC
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From: Jehan Tremback <jehan@altheamesh.com>
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Subject: Re: [gaia] Ammbr: Happy Marriage of mesh and blockchain
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For Althea, we use payment channels. These allow payments to be made with a transaction of a few hundred bytes, sent directly between neighbors. http://altheamesh.com/blog/altheas-multihop-payment-channels/ -- Jehan Tremback jehan@altheamesh.com On Fri, Sep 22, 2017, at 05:07 AM, Jane Coffin wrote: > Hi All – > > Just a reminder to post a note about why you are dropping a link > into the> GAIA list so that folks have context. > > And, a reminder for those that have not been monitoring the list – we> have a call out for presentations at the GAIA meeting during > IETF 100 in> Singapore. > > Please let us know if you would like to present. > > Best, > Jane > > Internet Society | www.internetsociety.org > > Skype: janercoffin > > Mobile/WhatsApp: +1.202.247.8429 > > On 9/22/17, 4:26 AM, "gaia on behalf of Arjuna Sathiaseelan" > <gaia-bounces@irtf.org on behalf of arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk>> wrote: > > on a side note related to TEE - saw this post today: > https://blog.acolyer.org/2017/09/21/clkscrew-exposing-the-perils-of-security-oblivious-energy-management/amp/> > security risks for Proof of Elapsed Time.. > > Regards > > On 22 September 2017 at 08:00, Jon Crowcroft > <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > i think that post confuses bitcoin specifics with how to do > > scalable fast> > consensus - there are quite a few papers on making consensus > > scale up to> > very high speeds- forthcoming conext paper from keshav has some > > very> > impressive transaction rates.. > > S. Rizvi, B, Wong, and S. Keshav, "Canopus: A Scalable and > > Massively> > Parallel Consensus Protocol," To appear, Proc. CoNEXT 2017, > > December 2017.> > but for the impatient, you can also read this paper on high > > throughput, low> > latency from folks who are : > > very expert in this space (cornell, imperial): > > Teechan: Payment Channels Using Trusted Execution Environments > > https://arxiv.org/abs/1612.07766 > > > > there's a lot of other solutions out there too (I believe > > deepmind/google> > have some inhouse thing they are working on with a target of 10M> > trsansactions per sec).... > > > > much of this depends on the workload assumptions though > > > > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Arjuna Sathiaseelan > > <arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote: > >> > >> this post was interesting: > >> > >> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/slow-blockchain-mathematical-certainty-patrick-mcconnell/> >> > >> On 12 August 2017 at 15:02, Jon Crowcroft > >> <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk>> >> wrote: > >> > ah, you could run global consensus (blockchain) on the > >> > transactions then> >> > use > >> > a route later - yes, that'd work....then you could get rid of> >> > reflationary > >> > stuff + remove unfairness....would take some care in > >> > design....> >> > > >> > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Vint Cerf <vint@google.com> > >> > wrote:> >> >> > >> >> Jon, > >> >> > >> >> if you do not care about delays and you allow storing > >> >> (encrypted)> >> >> packets > >> >> until a link/route is available as in DTN networks, how > >> >> would this> >> >> analysis > >> >> change? > >> >> > >> >> vint > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 5:03 AM, Jon Crowcroft > >> >> <jon.crowcroft@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> great! fab - checkout this thing we did a while on > >> >>> "currency" & ad hoc> >> >>> nets - there's a bit about inflationary/deflationary > >> >>> tendencies near> >> >>> the end > >> >>> might be worth factoring in... > >> >>> http://www.statslab.cam.ac.uk/~frank/PAPERS/micmahn.pdf > >> >>> > >> >>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Arjuna Sathiaseelan > >> >>> <arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> This article would be of interest to a new initiative to > >> >>>> build a> >> >>>> decentralised network using blockchain - technically > >> >>>> aiming to build> >> >>>> the > >> >>>> world's largest blockchain network: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> https://medium.com/@globalsecurepayments/the-happy-marriage-of-mesh-and-blockchain-276cce4a4909> >> >>>> > >> >>>> We are doing an initial coin offering September 1st if > >> >>>> anyone wants> >> >>>> to > >> >>>> invest :) (www.ammbr.com) - white paper will release next > >> >>>> week.> >> >>>> > >> >>>> Please send me an email (arjuna@ammbr.com) if you are > >> >>>> interested to> >> >>>> know > >> >>>> more about Ammbr. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Regards > >> >>>> > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> gaia mailing list > >> >>>> gaia@irtf.org > >> >>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia > >> >>>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> gaia mailing list > >> >>> gaia@irtf.org > >> >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> New postal address: > >> >> Google > >> >> 1875 Explorer Street, 10th Floor > >> >> Reston, VA 20190 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Arjuna Sathiaseelan > >> University of Cambridge | GAIUS Networks | Ammbr | GAIA Labs > >> Personal: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/ > >> N4D Lab: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/n4d > > > > > > > > -- > Arjuna Sathiaseelan > University of Cambridge | GAIUS Networks | Ammbr | GAIA Labs > Personal: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/ > N4D Lab: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/n4d > > _______________________________________________ > gaia mailing list > gaia@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia > > _______________________________________________ > gaia mailing list > gaia@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia > Email had 1 attachment: > + smime.p7s > 6k (application/pkcs7-signature)
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- Re: [gaia] Ammbr: Happy Marriage of mesh and bloc… Jon Crowcroft
- Re: [gaia] Ammbr: Happy Marriage of mesh and bloc… Vint Cerf
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- Re: [gaia] Ammbr: Happy Marriage of mesh and bloc… Jon Crowcroft
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