[Gendispatch] Re: [procon] Re: Derivative Works: draft-sayre-gendispatch-derivative-01

[Rob Sayre <[e-mail]>]

On Mon, Jul 13, 2026 at 5:48 PM Eric Rescorla <[e-mail]> wrote:

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> On Mon, Jul 13, 2026 at 5:45 PM Brian E Carpenter <
> [e-mail]> wrote:
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>> On 14-Jul-26 12:27, Stephen Farrell wrote:
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>> > On 14/07/2026 01:16, Rob Sayre wrote:
>> >> Yep, Brian went right after it:
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>> >> https://github.com/sayrer/derivative-works/pull/5
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>> > IMO, not really - any "MUST NOT" claiming to cover input from
>> > anyone in the world with an email address is itself nonsense.
>> >
>> > The thrust of the draft needs to change from "you can't" (when
>> > you can) to "we'll ignore you if you do."
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>> The wording (including today's PR) now says both. I think it's a question
>> for the lawyer what we can meaningfully say, so if gendispatch concludes
>> that we should proceed, I think the next step will be to request legal
>> review.
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> I don't think we need a lawyer to tell us that we shouldn't be telling
> people that they MUST ignore something in an email.
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There are two things, right?

Can you prevent a derivative work using the IETF's own terms, with the
capitalized Contribution, and prevent further contributions in an email?

You may disagree.

Can you insert your own terms? This is the tougher one. No, you can't,
because no one agreed to it.

thanks,
Rob