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Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00.txt

Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Wed, 22 November 2023 15:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00.txt
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Of course, each NomCom is free to self-organise.

 

But…

“We reject: kings, presidents and voting.”

It’s sad how quickly we move to secret ballots and threshold votes. This loses the opportunity for open discussion and understanding of issues. Obviously, there is a trade-off with lack of trust in confidentiality, and with all manner of pressures that can be put on individuals.

 

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From: Gendispatch <gendispatch-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Salz, Rich
Sent: 22 November 2023 15:23
To: Mallory Knodel <mknodel=40cdt.org@dmarc.ietf.org>; Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00.txt

 

The only difference in methods is one produces 10 volunteers and the other produces 9. Seems to me odd vs even matters a lot in tie breaking decisions. 

 

I think you mean 11. :)

 

For the past few years, the NomCom has decided that appointments require 75%.  I said “few” because I don’t have visibility beyond the year before mine.  I used the previous year’s slides as a template, Martin used mine, and so on.  (Voting on the process rules is one of the first things NomCom does.)

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