Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00.txt

[Mallory Knodel <[e-mail]>]

Hi Bob,

On 11/22/23 2:15 PM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>
>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 10:52 AM, Mallory Knodel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> On 11/22/23 1:43 PM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 5:02 AM, Mallory Knodel 
>>>> <mknodel=[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 04:15, Ted Hardie <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     The advantage of this approach is that in many years you don't
>>>>     need to do anything to the process at all; in 3 of the past 4
>>>>     years nothing additional would have happened.  It is only when
>>>>     the random lot fails to produce the minimum diversity that
>>>>     action is needed.  It is also relatively simple to work out
>>>>     what to do to get the minimum diversity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The approach I’ve proposed also would not have required action to 
>>>> the process at all in three of the past four years.
>>>
>>> What is the actual data here?
>>>
>> The main data point that motivated this draft is the voting members 
>> of the current nomcom are all men. There is a lot more data, but I 
>> don't have it and couldn't speak with authority on it or the careful 
>> analysis of it. There is also Merika's report shared some weeks back.
>>
>
> I should have been more specific.  I was asking about the people who 
> volunteered for each NomCom.
>
> If there wasn’t a diverse pool of volunteers, I think that is a 
> different problem than what is being proposed.
>
I agree that this is a different problem than that to which the draft 
proposes a solution.

-Mallory

>
>>> The reason I am asking, is it seems to me given the random selection 
>>> of NomCom members, that as long as there is a diverse pool of NomCom 
>>> volunteers, we should get a diverse set of people selected to serve.
>>>
>> Yes and in most cases this works out. Statistically sometimes it will 
>> not. The draft makes a very brief case for why we should intervene by 
>> ensuring at minimum one gender minority is on the nomcom.
>>> If there isn’t a diverse pool of NomCom volunteers, that is a 
>>> different problem and isn’t addressed by this proposal.   That is a 
>>> serious issue for the IETF and we would be better off discussing how 
>>> to fix that.
>>
>> It is a different problem, and not one that this draft is meant to 
>> address, though I have listed this as part of the problem space. It 
>> is a serious issue and we should absolutely discuss that, too. We 
>> should do all of the things and be supportive of every effort at the 
>> very same time.
>>
>> -Mallory
>>
>> -- 
>> Mallory Knodel
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