Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00.txt

[Bob Hinden <[e-mail]>]

Mallory,

> On Nov 22, 2023, at 10:52 AM, Mallory Knodel <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> On 11/22/23 1:43 PM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 5:02 AM, Mallory Knodel <mknodel=[e-mail]> <mailto:mknodel=[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 04:15, Ted Hardie <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The advantage of this approach is that in many years you don't need to do anything to the process at all; in 3 of the past 4 years nothing additional would have happened.  It is only when the random lot fails to produce the minimum diversity that action is needed.  It is also relatively simple to work out what to do to get the minimum diversity.
>>> 
>>> The approach I’ve proposed also would not have required action to the process at all in three of the past four years.
>> 
>> What is the actual data here?
>> 
> The main data point that motivated this draft is the voting members of the current nomcom are all men. There is a lot more data, but I don't have it and couldn't speak with authority on it or the careful analysis of it. There is also Merika's report shared some weeks back.
> 

I should have been more specific.  I was asking about the people who volunteered for each NomCom.

If there wasn’t a diverse pool of volunteers, I think that is a different problem than what is being proposed.

Bob


>> The reason I am asking, is it seems to me given the random selection of NomCom members, that as long as there is a diverse pool of NomCom volunteers, we should get a diverse set of people selected to serve.
>> 
> Yes and in most cases this works out. Statistically sometimes it will not. The draft makes a very brief case for why we should intervene by ensuring at minimum one gender minority is on the nomcom.
>> If there isn’t a diverse pool of NomCom volunteers, that is a different problem and isn’t addressed by this proposal.   That is a serious issue for the IETF and we would be better off discussing how to fix that.
> It is a different problem, and not one that this draft is meant to address, though I have listed this as part of the problem space. It is a serious issue and we should absolutely discuss that, too. We should do all of the things and be supportive of every effort at the very same time.
> 
> -Mallory
> 
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