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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 22 November 2023 19:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00.txt
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On 23-Nov-23 07:43, Bob Hinden wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2023, at 5:02 AM, Mallory Knodel <mknodel=40cdt.org@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 at 04:15, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     The advantage of this approach is that in many years you don't need to do anything to the process at all; in 3 of the past 4 years nothing additional would have happened.  It is only when the random lot fails to produce the minimum diversity that action is needed.  It is also relatively simple to work out what to do to get the minimum diversity. 
>>
>>
>> The approach I’ve proposed also would not have required action to the process at all in three of the past four years. 
> 
> What is the actual data here?

Quoting myself:

>> Under the actual rules we got (if I have all the correct genders):
>> 
>> 23/24: 10 male, 0 female
>> 22/23:  7 male, 3 female
>> 21/22:  8 male, 2 female
>> 20/21:  9 male, 1 female
>> 
>> So, 15% female over the last 4 years. Or to put it another way, the proposed rule would have got us up to 17.5%, and the "minimum two" rule would have got us to 22.5%.

    Brian

> 
> The reason I am asking, is it seems to me given the random selection of NomCom members, that as long as there is a diverse pool of NomCom volunteers, we should get a diverse set of people selected to serve.
> 
> If there isn’t a diverse pool of NomCom volunteers, that is a different problem and isn’t addressed by this proposal.   That is a serious issue for the IETF and we would be better off discussing how to fix that.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
>>
>> The only difference in methods is one produces 10 volunteers and the other produces 9. Seems to me odd vs even matters a lot in tie breaking decisions.
>>
>> -M
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