Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-and-trust-00.txt
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Sat, 22 October 2022 00:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-and-trust-00.txt
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Oh, I just noticed this in the "Asset register" section: > The current known licensing position of every RFC. That's impossible if taken literally. Firstly, that would require more than 9000 executions of due diligence, which isn't going to happen. Secondly, it's impossible (especially for pre-RFC5378 documents and even more so for pre-IETF RFCs). Thirdly, non-IETF RFCs are out of scope for an IETF BCP. I don't understand the claim that the current asset register is incomplete, since it indicates that the TLP applies to both contributions and RFCs, and the TLP describes the licenses. > no "licenses to others" are being shown after 2015 That's plausible. The general license provisions for fair use avoid the need for licenses in most cases. Anyway - maintaining the asset register is an operational matter. It should not be the target of a BCP. Regards Brian On 22-Oct-22 10:08, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Hi, > > I can't find anything in this draft that I disagree with. However, I can't really see why it's needed as a BCP, since it doesn't seem to me that it changes anything. I'd be happy to see this material on the Trust's web site as FYI. > > Regards > Brian Carpenter > > On 20-Oct-22 02:37, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >> >> >> Title : The Relationship between the IETF and its Trust >> Authors : Lars Eggert >> Russ Housley >> Filename : draft-eggert-ietf-and-trust-00.txt >> Pages : 13 >> Date : 2022-10-19 >> >> Abstract: >> This document describes the expectations the IETF community has on >> the structure and operation of the IETF Trust. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eggert-ietf-and-trust/ >> >> There is also an HTML version available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-eggert-ietf-and-trust-00.html >> >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> I-D-Announce mailing list >> I-D-Announce@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: trust assets, draft… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: trust assets, draft… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: trust assets, draft… John R Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: trust assets, draft… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: trust assets, draft… John R Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: trust assets, draft… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: trust assets, draft… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: trust assets, draft… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Jay Daley
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Glenn Deen
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Glenn Deen
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: trust assets, draft… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: trust assets, draft… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] the trust is not your lawyer, o… John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] the trust is not your lawyer, o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Jay Daley
- Re: [Gendispatch] why the trust is not your lawyer John R Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] why the trust is not your lawyer Lloyd W
- Re: [Gendispatch] why the trust is not your lawyer Brian Carpenter
- Re: [Gendispatch] why the trust is not your lawyer Rob Sayre
- Re: [Gendispatch] why the trust is not your lawyer John Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] why the trust is not your lawyer Jay Daley
- Re: [Gendispatch] why the trust is not your lawyer John R Levine
- Re: [Gendispatch] I-D Action: draft-eggert-ietf-a… Jari Arkko