Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards needed
"Rosen, Brian" <Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz> Thu, 04 December 2014 19:40 UTC
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From: "Rosen, Brian" <Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz>
To: Randall Gellens <rg+ietf@qualcomm.com>, "Militeau, Christian" <Christian.Militeau@intrado.com>
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Subject: Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards needed
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Most systems have a ³coarse² location mechanism available. On 12/4/14, 2:38 PM, "Randall Gellens" <rg+ietf@qualcomm.com> wrote: >At 7:15 PM +0000 12/4/14, Brian Rosen wrote: > >> While mobiles using licensed spectrum are clearly the biggest >> problem, any device that has a WiFi interface could use this >> mechanism to get a good location for an emergency call. It isn't >> using anything intrinsic to 3G/4G/5G systems. It's not a US-only >> problem. Because you are linking multiple, independent networks, >> you need something like the IETF to do that work. > >The concept of using the macro cell with which the device is >associated intrinsically links the problem to cellular devices, as >you mentioned in your earlier message: > >At 6:51 PM +0000 11/25/14, Brian Rosen wrote: >> So, what is needed is a way to connect the WiFi networks in a way >> where you can reasonably query only those networks that might >> reasonably have that MAC address. I think that's probably based on >> serving cell site. The NAED would know which WiFi networks were >> inside the serving cell area, and it would query (all of) them to >> see which one has the MAC address, and thus the location (if >> nothing else, the location of the AP that is serving the MAC). > > > >> > On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:10 PM, Militeau, Christian >> <Christian.Militeau@intrado.com> wrote: >>> >>> Randy, >>> >>> I agree with your assessment. ATIS (along with NENA and APCO) is >>> in the process of initiating planning to support standards >>> development. >>> Once ATIS has agreed on something, then it will be more clear on >>> what the IETF needs to do for standards support. >>> It is anticipated that there will be communications among SDOs >>> (ATIS, 3GPP, IETF, IEEE, etc.) to discuss the support of a >>> standards development plan and possibly coordination like we have >>> done in the past with the Emergency Services Coordination Group. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Christian >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Geopriv [mailto:geopriv-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randall >>>Gellens >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:41 PM >>> To: geopriv >>> Cc: Marc Linsner (mlinsner); DRAGE, Keith (Keith) >>> Subject: Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards needed >>> >>> I agree that there does appear to be standards work that may be >>> needed, with a role for the IETF. However, before we in the IETF >>> in general or geopriv (or ecrit) in particular jump in with >>> specific proposals, I think we need to understand the requirements >>> and overall architecture. Since we are discussing protocols to be >>> used with cellular calls, we need to work with the cellular >>> industry to be sure that what we develop meets their needs and >>> will be used. >>> >>> To my knowledge, there has been very little discussion, much less >>> agreement, by an industry-specific SDO such as ATIS (since we are >>> talking about the U.S.). Once this is done, the objectives for the >>> IETF, as well as industry groups, will become clear. In addition >>> the FCC has not issued any new mandate as of yet and is still in >>> an NPRM process. >>> >>> Therefore, I think we need to wait until discussions on the >>> requirements and architecture have further progressed by the >>> industry groups. >>> >>> -- >>> Randall Gellens >>> Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself >>>only >>> -------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- There is no >>> unhappiness like the misery of sighting land (and work) again >>> after a cheerful, careless voyage. -- Mark >>>Twain >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Geopriv mailing list >>> Geopriv@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Geopriv mailing list >>> Geopriv@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/geopriv > > >-- >Randall Gellens >Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself only >-------------- Randomly selected tag: --------------- >A plane is a bad place for an all-out sleep, but a good place to >begin rest and recovery from the trip to the faraway places you've >been, a decompression chamber between Here and There. Though a >plane is not the ideal place really to think, reassess or >reevaluate things, it is a great place to have the illusion of >doing so, and often the illusion will suffice. > --Shana Alexander, The Feminine Eye, 1970.
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Rosen, Brian
- [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards needed Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Henning G Schulzrinne
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Marc Linsner (mlinsner)
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Militeau, Christian
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Geopriv] New indoor location - standards nee… Robin Wilton