Re: [Geopriv] IPR disclosure on draft-ietf-geopriv-deref-protocol

[tglassey <[e-mail]>]

On 7/20/2012 2:50 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote:
> Could I just point out that discussion of the validity, or not, of the claims made in the declaration or in the claimed IPR itself are not something the working group should be discussing.
Agreed
>
> The WG merely needs to make a decision, based on the IPR declaration, and the references therefrom, as to whether it should proceed with the current technical solution, or to adopt an alternative technical solution (or no solution at all).
No, and this is the failing - you as an operative here  seem to think 
you make decisions here that you are immune from the consequences of... 
and  that is not what is happening here - The WG (GeoPRIV) has no legal 
authority itself to make any decisions. ONLY ITS SPONSORS OF ITS MEMBER 
DO meaning OpenGeospatial.ORG must formally weigh in as to whether  it 
assumes formal liability for your actions or it is disavowing this and 
halting the actions as must the people you legally represent here since 
it is them who you are the fiduciary for.
>
> Saying "proceed" can encompass everything from "I don't believe the claims are valid" to "The claims are valid but I am prepared to pay the license fee to get this technical solution", but you don't need to tell the working group any of that, particularly if it leads to a discussion of whether your statement is correct or not.
No saying PROCEED means "That I have direct and provable direction from 
my sponsor that they will assume any liability for my participation in 
this development"... and nothing less.  The validity of the patent and 
the claims are relevant to this Intellectual Property process...

>
> Regards
>
> Keith

The real issue is whether GeoSpatial.ORG is willing to take the chance - 
they are the party with the actual legal liability - they sponsor not 
only the initiative but through their formal membership sponsor this IP 
Development - so its them and your SPONSORS and NOT YOU who make this 
decision.

By the way - if you personally take that decision away from you SPONSOR 
you may be committing electronic fraud by wire under the fiduciary 
standards and if you folks are too arrogant to believe you are immune 
here because you folks as a group within IETF voted so and the IPR-WG 
told you - well...I strongly suggest that your actions are in frat 
criminal in nature.

Under BCP 78/79 you must as  an IETF participant assert legally that 
"you have a formal power of attorney from your sponsor" to work on and 
assign their IP rights. The fact  almost no one here actually has that 
shows the constant fraud created here and its time that fraud was fully 
exposed ... So you personally (those of you without this legal standing) 
are in fact committing fraud here as well.

Its really that simple and trying to cloud the IP issue isnt the thing 
to do - either GeoPRIV WG Chair or  GeoSpatial.ORG and the SPONSORS have 
to formally declare that they are responsible commercially for any 
damage to patents already in place the IETF GeoPRIV does... that's all.

Todd Glassey

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf
>> Of Richard L. Barnes
>> Sent: 19 July 2012 20:58
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: [Geopriv] IPR disclosure on draft-ietf-geopriv-deref-protocol
>>
>> Dear GEOPRIV,
>>
>> An IPR disclosure has been filed against a GEOPPRIV document, draft-ietf-
>> geopriv-deref-protocol.  This document has been through working group last
>> call, IETF last call, and IESG approval.  Its last DISCUSS was cleared 12
>> July 2012, but Robert is delaying final approval until this IPR question
>> has been resolved.
>>
>> Please send comment to the list by Friday, 20 July 2012, if you have
>> concerns related to this IPR disclosure.
>>
>> Note that the patent disclosed in this disclosure was also disclosed with
>> regard to other GEOPRIV documents that proceeded to publication:
>> RFC 3693: <https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/960/>
>> RFC 4079: <https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/959/>
>> RFC 4119: <https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/958/>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> GEOPRIV Chairs
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