Re: [Geopriv] Direction for draft-ietf-geopriv-binary-lci

"Winterbottom, James" <James.Winterbottom@andrew.com> Fri, 15 February 2008 21:04 UTC

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To: Andrew Newton <andy@hxr.us>, Brian Rosen <br@brianrosen.net>
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If we are defining "Thick Points" then a new LoST profile is also
required.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Newton [mailto:andy@hxr.us]
> Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2008 12:36 AM
> To: Brian Rosen
> Cc: Thomson, Martin; Winterbottom, James; GEOPRIV WG
> Subject: Re: [Geopriv] Direction for draft-ietf-geopriv-binary-lci
> 
> 
> On Feb 13, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Brian Rosen wrote:
> 
> > You can't measure a point.  We all agree, a point is too small.  We
> > aren't
> > going to define new absurdities like "thick points".  We
> > approximate, we
> > express location of an object as location of a point with some
> > specified
> > confidence and uncertainty.
> >
> > My conclusion is that 3825 is wrong.  The mistake arose from a lack
of
> > appreciation for the difficulty in determining precision, and not
> > understanding that the practitioners have defined a mechanism to
> > express
> > precision which is not significant digits and standard deviation.
> > We made a
> > mistake.  It was a reasonable mistake to make, but it was a
> > mistake.  We
> > need to express geo precision using confidence and uncertainty.
> > That is the
> > way the experts agreed to do it.  We don't have superior expertise
> > in that
> > area.  The experts understand the issues and decided.  We should
> > play along.
> 
> I think Brian has a point here.  If the IETF is defining thick points,
> even implicitly as in 3825, then it should probably defer to an
> organization with the bona fides to do this subject justice.  GEOPRIV
> uses the OGC's GML standard quite heavily, and has in the past handed
> off work to them.  Hannes has suggested the definition of a DHCP
> option that is more compatible with GML.  That is a good idea, if for
> no other reason than the rest of the GEOPRIV standards use GML.
> 
> -andy

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