Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches
John Tamplin <jat@google.com> Sun, 22 August 2010 20:51 UTC
Return-Path: <jat@google.com>
X-Original-To: hybi@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: hybi@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B7B3A68F0 for <hybi@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:51:54 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -105.869
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.869 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.107, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5t3NM1MShz+i for <hybi@core3.amsl.com>; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:51:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.44.51]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C133A6953 for <hybi@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:51:52 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from wpaz1.hot.corp.google.com (wpaz1.hot.corp.google.com [172.24.198.65]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id o7MKqQdT009213 for <hybi@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:52:26 -0700
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1282510346; bh=FQhZGfxzml1K/2dQ9xzJNWijyTE=; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:From:Date:Message-ID:Subject: To:Cc:Content-Type; b=uDJ3Ma8KlqF1Bx7GByKwASroPuPyHIXUxz8lSUrEJVB9aESQJ+fiaK3ODVDDhyJcl Xdc6rZXz7ycPgq8e24pxw==
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id: subject:to:cc:content-type:x-system-of-record; b=eifCKHPb1rd6XT6ZpXzI7F1WZHwzZdmYCEbhnqFSEKFEHZNeB0kYA/yM7tRjJlleU d8/RDEEfNL1GqJbRufhhg==
Received: from gyd10 (gyd10.prod.google.com [10.243.49.202]) by wpaz1.hot.corp.google.com with ESMTP id o7MKqP6d021844 for <hybi@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:52:25 -0700
Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so2979176gyd.15 for <hybi@ietf.org>; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.151.4.11 with SMTP id g11mr3943552ybi.262.1282510345172; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:52:25 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.151.60.3 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:52:05 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZV5zhOb+_p=MjcCbqKttVBHnva85WikuB=g=D@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikJcbyEZ-Y0FOXni89L8Awa_UBmMMDvLgsOuoou@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTin3r+f1Fn_X5O401PSANRrcgttLR-P4qMJZWKtV@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTinZV5zhOb+_p=MjcCbqKttVBHnva85WikuB=g=D@mail.gmail.com>
From: John Tamplin <jat@google.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:52:05 -0400
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvpdrXi8uH41RJ6b0-=eiXHY_3XeTq4EOq7F51@mail.gmail.com>
To: Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000e0cd48abc8b7898048e6fb536"
X-System-Of-Record: true
Cc: Server-Initiated HTTP <hybi@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches
X-BeenThere: hybi@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: Server-Initiated HTTP <hybi.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi>, <mailto:hybi-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/hybi>
List-Post: <mailto:hybi@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:hybi-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hybi>, <mailto:hybi-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:51:54 -0000
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Roberto Peon <fenix@google.com> wrote: > > There are downsides from the pure TLS approach, which we've not yet > figured > > out how to overcome on the SPDY side. > > It boils down to ensuring that schools and other institutions can > *easily* > > perform MITM monitoring/censoring. > > Hum... I'm not sure we should kowtow to proponents of censorship. The alternative is they will simply block something they can't inspect, which doesn't help much either. -- John A. Tamplin Software Engineer (GWT), Google
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Adam Barth
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches John Tamplin
- [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Eric Rescorla
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Adam Barth
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Adam Barth
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Adam Barth
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Adam Barth
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Mike Belshe
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Brian Smith
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Shelby Moore
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Eric Rescorla
- Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches Daniel Stenberg