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Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches

Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com> Sun, 22 August 2010 22:05 UTC

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From: Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] On TLS-only Approaches
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On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 1:52 PM, John Tamplin <jat@google.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Roberto Peon <fenix@google.com> wrote:
>> > There are downsides from the pure TLS approach, which we've not yet
>> > figured
>> > out how to overcome on the SPDY side.
>> > It boils down to ensuring that schools and other institutions can
>> > *easily*
>> > perform MITM monitoring/censoring.
>>
>> Hum...  I'm not sure we should kowtow to proponents of censorship.
>
> The alternative is they will simply block something they can't inspect,
> which doesn't help much either.

Even if half the world's networks are totalitarian censors, you'll
still get a higher connection rate with the TLS-based handshake.  Put
another way, the broken intermediaries in the world are much more
effective at blocking the non-TLS-based handshake than censors ever
will be at blocking the TLS-based handshake.

Adam

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