Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake
Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> Tue, 30 November 2010 18:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake
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On Nov 30, 2010, at 7:56 AM, Simon Pieters wrote: > Hi, > > At Opera we do not plan to implement the new framing until the spec uses a CONNECT-based handshake. We support Adam and Eric's handshake proposal. Speaking personally, I am also in favor of Adam and Eric's proposal for a CONNECT-based handshake, as well as the associated payload masking. I expect many of my Apple colleagues would agree. We would be hesitant to ship protocol updates that do not fix the handshake. Given the security issues identified by the paper from Adam and company, we would even consider disabling WebSocket entirely in future releases until there is a more robust handshake. (However, I make no specific promises about future Safari releases.) Regards, Maciej
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- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Julian Reschke
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- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake John Tamplin
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- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Joe Mason
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Joe Mason
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Joe Hildebrand
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Pat McManus @Mozilla
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Jamie Lokier
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Ian Fette (イアンフェッティ)
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Adam Barth
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [hybi] Moving to a CONNECT-based handshake Adam Barth
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