Re: [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future revisions (Was: Proposed way forward for WebSockets)
Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> Tue, 27 July 2010 08:37 UTC
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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Adding clarification regarding future revisions (Was: Proposed way forward for WebSockets)
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Hi Ian, On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 07:13:58AM +0000, Ian Hickson wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jul 2010, Willy Tarreau wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 02:40:40AM -0400, John Tamplin wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Feature negotiation is there, by means of new headers. > > > > > > If that is the intention, it would be good to state that in the > > > protocol [...] > > > > Yes indeed, that should be clarified. > > I've added another sentence to the end of the "Design philosophy" section > to try to explain this in slightly more detail. I don't really know how > better to clarify it, though. Could you elaborate on exactly what is > unclear? I can't find there the requirement to reject handshakes featuring unknown headers, nor can I find it in -76, though I'm sure I've read it not long ago, so probably that it was in a slightly earlier version. Your wording in the Design Philosophy section looks fine an unambiguous to me. > > And BTW, saying "Upgrade: WebSocket/1.0" would be *a lot* better than > > "Upgrade: WebSocket". > > Not having a version field is intentional. Versioning is an anti-pattern > on the Web. I don't understand what you mean by "anti-pattern". Right now for instance it's fortunate that we have the distinction between HTTP/1.0 and 1.1 since their semantics have changed (connection: close vs keep-alive, support for transfer-encoding, etc...). Without a version advertised in the request, the server won't know whether the client is supposed to support feature XXX or YYY that is only part of an evolution. Regards, Willy
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