Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake proposals
Zhong Yu <zhong.j.yu@gmail.com> Wed, 08 December 2010 21:53 UTC
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It's ironic that nobody emphasizes on success rate now. At least I haven't heard any recently. Yet that was the reason that current WebSocket proposals are contained in HTTP connections on port 80. If we are happy with the 70-80% success rate with a "raw" WebSocket protocol over today's internet infrastructure, and if we are in a hopeless gridlock if we try to improve the success rate by dressing WebSocket in HTTP's clothes, maybe we should just abandon HTTP and go with a "raw" WebSocket on a new port. At least, we deserve a new trial after such a long time. The original proponents of building WebSocket in HTTP should examine the new evidences and discussions and remake the case. The success rate is only an initial problem anyway. After WebSocket is widely deployed, the obstacles that prevent successful WebSocket connections will be under great pressure to correct themselves. People are dying to have WebSocket. It's hard to see why this little initial problem can have any significant impact on adoption rate. As far as success rate is concerned, everyday WebSocket isn't deployed is a day it has 0% success rate. - Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake proposals Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Jack Moffitt
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Andrew Miadowicz
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau