Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake proposals
Bjoern Hoehrmann <derhoermi@gmx.net> Wed, 08 December 2010 21:43 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake proposals
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* Alexey Melnikov wrote: >I hope this is not going to turn into a lengthy debate, but I would like >to understand what people care about when comparing different handshake >proposals. >"Should use the minimal number of round trips" is one thing I've heard >on the mailing list. >What are other things people care about? Generally speaking it's a matter of minimizing disruption of deployed infrastructure, minimizing resource consumption, and maximizing successs rates, with some disagreements about the tradeoffs and the extent to which one or the other should be done. At the moment we have questions such as "Must the protocol prevent cache poisoning attacks", "Must the protocol prevent attacks on shared hosting systems" and the constraints must first be agreed upon before we can apply criteria that help us evaluate the many handshake proposals we've seen (which is in part due to "handshake" and "framing" being not entirely seperable issues; some framing methods make the handshake largely irrelevant, for instance). -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjoern@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bjoern Hoehrmann
- [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake proposals Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Scott Ferguson
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Jack Moffitt
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Julian Reschke
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Roberto Peon
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Zhong Yu
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Greg Wilkins
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Maciej Stachowiak
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… John Tamplin
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Bruce Atherton
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Andrew Miadowicz
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [hybi] Criteria for evaluating handshake prop… Willy Tarreau