Re: [Idr] IPR in draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-14 [was: Re: WGLC for draft-ietf-idr-bgp-optimal-route-reflection-14]

Hi John and WG,

Thank you for your note.

While I am still in process of getting full clarification from Cisco on
what has been filed without authors knowledge I think the message you got
from Serpil is incorrect.

To the best of my current understanding cisco filed some patents with
claims describing implementation solutions used to implement ideas from ORR
document not to claim IPR rights to such ideas itself.

Both are very different and I do not understand while the former would in
any way impact the IETF process.

Kind regards,
Robert.

On Oct 13, 2017 4:53 PM, "John G. Scudder" <jgs@juniper.net> wrote:

Hi Everyone,

On Oct 6, 2017, at 1:30 PM, John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> wrote:
> Authors, please confirm that any relevant IPR has been disclosed.

I was just told by Serpil Bayraktar that Cisco has IPR related to this
spec. She is working with their legal department to disclose it, and of
course as soon as the disclosure is available we'll notify the WG.

Naturally we will keep the WGLC open until the IPR disclosure has been
published and the WG has had a chance to consider it.

I want to thank Serpil for her diligence in bringing this to my attention
as soon as she became aware of it. This is as good a time as any to remind
everyone of the Note Well we all see multiple times per meeting as well as
when we sign up for a mailing list: https://www.ietf.org/about/not
e-well.html. In particular, see https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8179.txt,
"Intellectual Property Rights in IETF Technology", which is linked from the
Note Well, which describes the who, what and when in detail. Let me quote
the beginning of the Note Well here:

"Any submission to the IETF intended by the Contributor for publication as
all or part of an IETF Internet-Draft or RFC and any statement made within
the context of an IETF activity is considered an "IETF Contribution". Such
statements include oral statements in IETF sessions, as well as written and
electronic communications made at any time or place..."

and so on.

While we're at it, I will note that four of the authors -- Robert Raszuk,
Bruno Decraene, Eric Aman, and Adam Chappell -- have said they didn't know
of any IPR, so presumably this comes as a surprise to them. I have not seen
replies to this question from Stephane Litkowski, Christian Cassar or Kevin
Wang yet, I've cc'd them.

Regards,

--John
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