Re: [ietf-nomcom] NomCom 2023 Extension of Nomination Period to 2023-10-12

Yes, those are good points, Joel. The IESG structures the work of the IETF and self-organises to manage it. They tell the NomCom what they think they need to make that possible.

And peculiarly, the NomCom could decide to appoint only people with a narrow technical ability (say, Dog Catching) to the IESG such that the IESG has to work out how to self-organise to shepherd the Areas.

Adrian

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From: ietf-nomcom <ietf-nomcom-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Joel Halpern
Sent: 28 September 2023 19:19
To: Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>; ietf-nomcom@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [ietf-nomcom] NomCom 2023 Extension of Nomination Period to 2023-10-12

As I understand it, the position descriptions from the bodies are 
requests, not orders.  If the nomcom decides that a different skill set 
is what is needed, that is the nomcom's right and responsibility.   This 
can be easily seen in the case of IAB appointments, where the nomcom 
frequently listens to the community about what skills and abilities the 
IAB needs, even when those do not appear in the job description.

On the other hand, I do slightly disagree with Mike in one regard.  The 
structuring of areas is explicitly an IESG responsibility.  So the 
nomcom is NOT free to decide that the IESG needs 3 OPS ADs and one 
Routing AD, nor is it free to make up or dissolve areas.  If the IESG 
were to undertake an unworkable reorganization, i would expect other 
remedies to be invoked.

So the overall structure is mandated to the nomcom.  But the job 
descriptions and skill expectations are advisory as I understand it.  
(Usually with significant deference, but advisory.)

Yours,

Joel

On 9/28/2023 2:09 PM, Salz, Rich wrote:
>> By virtue of their position in the process, the Nomcom and the
> confirming bodies have an ability to say something about the job
> descriptions.
>
> I have never heard that from anyone before this. I wonder if others believe this, or if you are in the rough.
>
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