RE: draft-kucherawy-greylisting-bcp

"Murray S. Kucherawy" <msk@cloudmark.com> Thu, 27 October 2011 04:37 UTC

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From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" <msk@cloudmark.com>
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Subject: RE: draft-kucherawy-greylisting-bcp
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ietf-smtp@mail.imc.org [mailto:owner-ietf-smtp@mail.imc.org] On Behalf Of Pete Resnick
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:08 AM
> To: Keith Moore
> Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net; ietf-smtp@imc.org
> Subject: Re: draft-kucherawy-greylisting-bcp
> 
> I think Keith has it pretty spot-on. BCPs are for documents where it
> makes no sense to talk about the concepts of (to quote 2026) "protocol,
> service, procedure, convention, or format", "particular methods of using
> a [technical specification]", "specify particular values or ranges, of
> TS parameters or subfunctions of a TS protocol that must be
> implemented", "interoperability", and "implementation and/or operational
> experience". 

Herein lies my confusion.  What is a Best Current Practices document if not one that talks about conventions, particular methods of using the thing a specification defines, [improved] interoperability, or relating of operational experience?

> My personal take is
> that BCPs should be reserved to guidelines for operators and
> administrators, statements of architectural principles, and
> documentation of procedures and operations of the IETF itself.

That sounds right, but some of it seems (to me) to conflict with the citations you made.  I suspect there's some (pardon the allusion) grey area in there that makes it hard, for me at least, to see clearly when something should be a BCP and something should be an AS.