Re: Draft IAB conflict of interest policy

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Mon, 13 January 2020 23:38 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 15:38:37 -0800
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Subject: Re: Draft IAB conflict of interest policy
To: "Joel M. Halpern" <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
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On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 11:44 AM Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com>
wrote:

> Yes, We do ask that folks disclose their primary affiliation.  I believe
> we ask that for WG chairs, for ADs, and for IAB members.  That gives the
> community the information about the situation.  That is VERY different
> from asking folks not to participate in leadership decisions about work
> that may affect their employer.
>

That often gives "the community the information about the situation", but
not always.

The classic case is the "consulting firm" that only gets paid via defense
or other government contracts.

I'm not sure that's a solvable problem, but I do agree that's different
from a non-participation request.

thanks,
Rob