Re: [arch-d] Draft IAB conflict of interest policy

"Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> Thu, 09 January 2020 21:01 UTC

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From: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>
To: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
CC: IAB Chair <iab-chair@iab.org>, IAB IAB <iab@iab.org>, IETF discussion list <ietf@ietf.org>, "architecture-discuss@ietf.org" <architecture-discuss@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [arch-d] Draft IAB conflict of interest policy
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From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>
> I agree with that for the IESG, but the IAB is not usually in a position to approve or block specific technical decisions. Yes, it sets architectural direction, but see Richard’s comment down-thread.

[JL] Perhaps we are thinking too narrowly about what the IAB does? Here are some areas for potential conflict that are unrelated to architectural direction:
1 - Confirming the IETF Chair and Area Directors
2 - Standards appeals
3 - RFC Series
4 - Liaison roles
5 - Advice to ISOC

[JL] Even in architectural oversight, what if there was a strong push for a particular approach against a particular protocol or codec and someone on the IAB had an undisclosed financial stake in a patent pool that would directly benefit from a certain decision? Or if they "worked" for a university but were 100% funded by a grant from a government that was underwriting their time specifically to work against a specific upgrade to encryption? Or whatever other cases you might imagine.

[JL] So IMO it seems like some CoI policy for the IAB is better than no CoI policy.