Re: Predictable Internet Time
Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Tue, 03 January 2017 18:39 UTC
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Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 13:39:37 -0500
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Subject: Re: Predictable Internet Time
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On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> wrote: > +1 > > You can deny the ITU all you want, but we are not in control of the time > standards used by financial, governmental, etc. systems. > Neither is the ITU. The governments, financial services etc are. An ITU standard that predictably causes confusion and chaos every year is ripe for replacement. > Note that everything below also assumes a consistent view of time > itself; conversion from "seconds since epoch measured locally" always > needs to be translated to UTC at sea level on Earth anyway. > > Time within the machine should be measured relative to its own temporal > frame, but whenever we communicate with another machine we need to > strive to be as close to UTC as possible - warts and all. Anything else > - including and especially smearing - compromises *correct* behavior. So you are for sticking with IPv4 as well? Nothing can ever change because the ITU is in charge... People are only in charge as long as other people let them. > > Joe > > > On 1/2/2017 10:29 PM, Patrik Fältström wrote: > > I think personally, as long as we do have leap seconds: > > > > - we should have the leap second information available somewhere in > clear machine readable format. Some suggestions exists, including encoding > it in A-records in DNS ;-) > > > > - we should look at having the time since epoch really be the number of > SI-seconds since the epoch > > > > - we should have translation between number of seconds and UTC take leap > seconds into account > > > > - we should fix the code that do not accept 61 seconds in a minute > >
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