Re: Predictable Internet Time
Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Tue, 03 January 2017 20:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: Predictable Internet Time
To: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
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You might consider that most governments have already agreed to cooperate - by contributing their national clock info to TAI, accepting the TAI-averaged result, and accepting the ITU's definition of UTC. I see no good reason to create a new time reference that would still ultimately need translation to TAI and UTC anyway, esp. given the translation would be complex on the smear-day. Joe On 1/3/2017 11:46 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com > <mailto:lear@cisco.com>> wrote > > On 1/3/17 7:24 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >> Umm, my proposal was to ignore the opinion of the ITU in this >> matter as in everything else. > > That doesn't work in all cases because there are often > applications that require that the clock time on a device not vary > from UTC by some set amount. I think they're fixing for a big UTC > leap second shindig in the next few years, anyway. > > Eliot > > > My analysis of the politics of the situation is as follows > > * The decision makers are the governments, not the ITU > > * The governments will do whatever their banking and broadcast > sectors tell them. > > * The banking and broadcast sections will do whatever Microsoft, > Google, Apple, etc agree on provided that the transition is not going > to be more of a problem than the status quo. > > * If there is a non ITU proposal on the table that threatens to > replace ITU as the place where the decision is taken that stands a > chance of being adopted, ITU will prefer to co-opt it rather than lose > the appearance of control. > > > We already have UT0, UT1 and UT2 and several other variants. The > mapping from UT1 to UTC can be varied by committee. > >
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