Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups
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Subject: Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups
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According to Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>: >Are there any general IETF guidelines for how to use LLMs >constructively? (Or have I finally attained pure dinosaur status by not >hopping on the llm bandwagon?) I think the answer to both questions is no. My friends at the arXiv preprint server are overwhelmed with slop manuscripts, to the extent that there are some categories where they will only accept submissions from people who've submitted known good papers in the past or are recommended by someone who has. This is a widespread problem that we will have to deal with whether we like it or not. LLM slop mail isn't disruptive in the same sense that we've been thinking about in the moderation discussion down the virtual hall from here, but it's basically the same problem, messages that get in the way of getting work done rather than contributing to it. I suspect many of the people sending LLM slop think what they're doing is fine, but that doesn't excuse it any more than it excuses other kinds of disruptive behavior. R's, John -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
- AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Nick Hilliard
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Colin Perkins
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Bob Hinden
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups John Levine
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups John Levine
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Orie
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Kathleen Moriarty
- RE: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Cheng Li
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups George Michaelson
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups George Michaelson
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Christian Hopps
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Nick Hilliard
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Joel Halpern
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Job Snijders
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Robert Moskowitz
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Nick Hilliard
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Robert Moskowitz
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Jeffrey Walton
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Robert Moskowitz
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Rich Kulawiec
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups George Michaelson
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Carsten Bormann
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John Levine
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John R Levine
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Arturo Servin
- AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" to IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Michael Richardson
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Laurence Lundblade
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Michael Richardson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Donald Eastlake
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John R Levine
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Lixia Zhang
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Robert Moskowitz
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Christian Huitema
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Tal Mizrahi
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John R Levine
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John R Levine
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Rob Sayre
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Jeffrey Walton
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Lixia Zhang
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Michael Richardson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John Levine
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Jeffrey Walton
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… lloyd.wood
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Lloyd W
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Lixia Zhang
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Michael Richardson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Joel Halpern
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Nick Hilliard
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Christian Huitema
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… George Michaelson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Lixia Zhang
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Elmar K. Bins
- Human SI - Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF wo… Toerless Eckert
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Toerless Eckert
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Christian Huitema
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Michael Richardson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… George Michaelson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Martin J. Dürst