Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups
George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> Tue, 10 February 2026 03:32 UTC
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From: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2026 10:31:57 +0700
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Subject: Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups
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Not to disagree with anything said, what would people want from our mechanistic processes when a breach is discovered, especially when it's discovered late in process like during AUTHOR48 If you want specific outcomes like a stall, or a reject then it's going to need careful definition and probably implies other process cost like appeals. G (no hats) On Tue, 10 Feb 2026, 10:28 Cheng Li, <c.l=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Agree with Bob and Brian that we need to request a disclosure of using AI. > > I do not like to read an AI generated document, especially, without human > checking, feeling unprofessional and uncomfortable. > > > > Thanks, > Cheng > > > > ------------------------------ > > 李呈 Li Cheng > Mobile: +86-15116983550(中国电话) > Mail: c.l@huawei.com > > *发件人:*Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> > *收件人:*ietf@ietf.org <ietf@ietf.org> > *时 间:*2026-02-10 04:14:21 > *主 题:*Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups > > On 08-Feb-26 14:55, John Levine wrote: > > It appears that Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> said: > >> I like the idea of requiring a disclosure that an Internet Draft was > written with AI tools. I agree probably not for emails. > > > > I expect that the people whose drafts most suffer from being written by > an LLM will lie about it, either because > > their English is too poor to understand the rules, or they have perverse > incentives like an an employer that > > gives them a bonus for publishing an RFC. > > > > Then what? I'm not saying we shouldn't ask, but I'm saying we need to > be prepared for noncompliance. > > Of course, but if we make it a submission requirement - check the "AI > used" box - there's really no harm, no shame. > > Actually there are perhaps two boxes to check: > > 1. Was AI used in the production of this draft? [yes/no] > 2. If yes, did the authors personally verify the AI-generated material? > [yes/no] > > The attachment was generated by ChatGPT. > > Brian >
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- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Colin Perkins
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Bob Hinden
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups John Levine
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups John Levine
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Orie
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Kathleen Moriarty
- RE: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Cheng Li
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups George Michaelson
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups George Michaelson
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Christian Hopps
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Nick Hilliard
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Joel Halpern
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Job Snijders
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Robert Moskowitz
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Nick Hilliard
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Robert Moskowitz
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Jeffrey Walton
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Robert Moskowitz
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Rich Kulawiec
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups George Michaelson
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Carsten Bormann
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John Levine
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John R Levine
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Arturo Servin
- AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" to IE… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Michael Richardson
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Laurence Lundblade
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Michael Richardson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Donald Eastlake
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John R Levine
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Lixia Zhang
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Robert Moskowitz
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Christian Huitema
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Tal Mizrahi
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John R Levine
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John R Levine
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Rob Sayre
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Jeffrey Walton
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Lixia Zhang
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Michael Richardson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… John Levine
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Jeffrey Walton
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… lloyd.wood
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Lloyd W
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Lixia Zhang
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Michael Richardson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Joel Halpern
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Nick Hilliard
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Christian Huitema
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… George Michaelson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Lixia Zhang
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Abdussalam Baryun
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Elmar K. Bins
- Human SI - Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF wo… Toerless Eckert
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Toerless Eckert
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Christian Huitema
- Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups Michael Richardson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Toerless Eckert
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… George Michaelson
- Re: AI disclosure [was: AI slop "contributions" t… Martin J. Dürst