Re: Last Call: <draft-moonesamy-ietf-conduct-3184bis-03.txt> (IETF Guidelines for Conduct) to Best Current Practice

[David Farmer <[e-mail]>]

On 11/6/13 18:20 , S Moonesamy wrote:
> Hi Arturo,
> At 14:23 06-11-2013, Arturo Servin wrote:
>> I notice that there are not mention of forbidding any kind of
>> harassment in your draft (or may be I oversight it). Perhaps this
>> could be a good place to introduce the anti-harassment policy and to
>> get consensus on it.
>
> The lack of any mention of harassment is intentional.  Harassment is a
> serious matter.  It is much more than about transgressing the guidelines
> for conduct.  In theory someone might be able to take legal action
> against the IETF or the person responsible.  In simple terms the IETF
> guidelines for conduct is to "play nice".
>
> In my personal opinion it would be better not to discuss about
> harassment in the draft.  I am open to adding text if the document
> shepherd recommends it.

In general I agree with keeping the particular issue of harassment out 
of the draft.  However, there are some concepts in the Anti-Harassment 
Policy that may be worthy of including.  I believe the first paragraph 
of the policy is an excellent summary of what the guidelines intend to 
achieve.

    IETF meetings, virtual meetings, and mailing lists are intended for
    professional collaboration and networking. The IETF strives to
    create and maintain an environment in which people of many different
    backgrounds are treated with dignity, decency, and respect. Those
    who participate in the IETF are expected to behave according to
    professional standards and demonstrate appropriate workplace
    behavior.

I'm not suggesting you simply insert that text, but maybe ensure all of 
the ideas or concepts are embodied within the draft.  In particular I'd 
like to see the concepts of "professional standards" and/or "workplace 
behavior" more directly included.

Additionally, a little shot of the "Golden Rule" wouldn't hurt either, 
its always a good idea to remind people think about how they would want 
to be treated if the roles were reversed.

Finally, in my opinion, part of being "professional" is to apologize 
when from time-to-time we each act in an unprofessional manne, we all 
fail occasionally.  And, regarding Appendix A, a simple polite request 
for an apology is frequently the most professional, appropriate, and 
expeditious coarse of action.

Thanks

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