Re: IETF 107 and Corona Virus? - timezone

avri doria <avri@acm.org> Sun, 16 February 2020 20:04 UTC

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Hi,

When I remote attend meetings in another timezone, I think of it as jet
lag without the jet.

avri


On 16-Feb-20 03:29, Stewart Bryant wrote:
> We all suffer from and recover from jet lag in different ways, and the same with adapting to antisocial work shifts, but I find the TZ argument strange.
>
> If you want to attend the whole meeting, then shifting your day is no worse than what first responders such as the police service do every week here in UK. 
>
> At least with doing a time shift rather than a trip you do not need to worry about the dehydration and stress of a long flight.
>
> Stewart
>
>> On 16 Feb 2020, at 07:37, Roni Even (A) <roni.even@huawei.com> wrote:
>>
>> One issue to consider about having  an entirely virtual meeting is what are the implication on participants in different time zone.
>> Attending  few scattered session may not be a big issue but if one wants to attend many sessions it becomes a problem.
>>
>> My personal experience when trying to attend a QUIC WG Interim meeting in Japan was very bad.
>>
>> 1. The meeting time for me was from 2:00AM till 10:00 AM. (9:00-17:00 in Japan) for three days.
>> 2. I used the lunch break to try to catch some sleep, due to lack of enough time to sleep
>> 3. Starting at 2:00 AM did not provide enough time to have a healthy night sleep before starting my daily attendance.
>> 4. The recovery from the "jetlag" was much slower than when attending the meeting in person.
>>
>> My conclusion was that I will try to avoid as much as I can this mode of participating from remote in a meeting that takes a couple of days in which I have to attend multiple sessions.
>> It is not healthy.
>>
>>
>> One other advantage of a f2f meeting is the "official" and non-official off line sessions/meetings that I find very productive while attending the IETF meeting
>>
>> If a full virtual meeting will happen and use Vancouver time zone than daily meeting from 9-18 will be 19-4AM for me
>>
>>
>> Roni Even
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Alston
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 8:48 AM
>>> To: ietf@ietf.org
>>> Subject: IETF 107 and Corona Virus?
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I am just wondering if there are any thoughts on the status of the IETF 107
>>> meeting in light of the corona virus.
>>>
>>> Particularly in light of the fact that for safety reasons mobile world congress
>>> has been cancelled and we're seeing other events being cancelled in light of
>>> this as well.  Should it be considered a safe and responsible move to go
>>> ahead with this meeting or should we be looking at an entirely virtual
>>> meeting in light of the situation?
>>>
>>> Andrew