IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: Request for feedback - IESG thoughts about new work proposals

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Mon, 16 October 2017 14:18 UTC

Return-Path: <lear@cisco.com>
X-Original-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ietf@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2D91344EF for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:18:05 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -14.499
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3SY2oz_qblkD for <ietf@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:18:04 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from aer-iport-3.cisco.com (aer-iport-3.cisco.com [173.38.203.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FE3B1344E6 for <ietf@ietf.org>; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 07:18:03 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=5465; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1508163483; x=1509373083; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date: mime-version:in-reply-to; bh=wGK8AE1VXZ8Qze8ZJVTDgdncFuPYrizTrscqh65/wIY=; b=ZO8UDdMVKBZKLteyzLs5lU7bRwDhtqa4D52L72xYzsYUcCrqWTRhlsNz iPulf13Z/dcEQd9X+WTZ5Gu3RmfIQf6tTm5zG3SV8yEWZIL/8JyZpWvGS XSvUChKMGUuIW3Y2/7G/8tXXLY6nCNASyg7hC0Q5f7eobCJNH+4gArRLJ Q=;
X-Files: signature.asc : 481
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true
X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CQAADwvuRZ/xbLJq1dGQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBBwEBAQEBhENuJ4N6ih90kDOQcIU/ghQHAyOFGAKFFRgBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIUeAQMCI1YQCwQUKgICVwYNCAEBihkQqkWCJyaLDAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQ4KBYMthUIrgn+BJIZ0gmEBBKFIhD2CIY4Ni2SHMnCUf4E5HziBWTQhCB0Vgy2EYT42AYpUAQEB
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.43,387,1503360000"; d="asc'?scan'208,217";a="656384145"
Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-4.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 16 Oct 2017 14:18:01 +0000
Received: from [10.61.172.199] ([10.61.172.199]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9GEI1WI004163; Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:18:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Request for feedback - IESG thoughts about new work proposals
To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, "ietf@ietf.org" <ietf@ietf.org>
References: <CAKKJt-fAaNPeeuSfS0Dv6vTAOXR=OS2XSKqPVMyxxr1O1tLwBg@mail.gmail.com> <7d45859d-6efc-5576-e413-8c9162c42776@gmail.com> <CAKKJt-ergSJvmzzOCaNP-iEk1i80UCpst-oaHpVoZg8PxFZRTw@mail.gmail.com> <16416.1507915421@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <aab5c229-4ab7-5105-2056-85231b48a828@cisco.com> <CAKKJt-dmb5sMEjaJktSm7QBtFXmpO5rhW4k_kWRp1kYf1Yr1og@mail.gmail.com>
From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
Message-ID: <9a7abb82-856a-c881-b46d-13dbf212fd4a@cisco.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 16:18:00 +0200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAKKJt-dmb5sMEjaJktSm7QBtFXmpO5rhW4k_kWRp1kYf1Yr1og@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2G067nDaRqe4CDFt0TqetIxgkXdemGEAC"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/78aOpQBcvGFjTonNObOmv-P6MQw>
X-BeenThere: ietf@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF-Discussion <ietf.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ietf/>
List-Post: <mailto:ietf@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf>, <mailto:ietf-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 14:18:06 -0000

Hi Spencer,

On 10/16/17 3:51 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
>
>     Except that you have to start somewhere.  And our documentation
>     isn't up
>     to date.
>
>
> Could you say more about that? It sounds like something needs to be fixed.

Yes, the Tao needs a dust off.[1]  See Section 2.2.2 of that document. 
There are probably other areas that need work.  Similarly, "Bringing New
Work into the IETF"[2] needs a dust off* (see slides 6 and 7).   I will
also add that these documents are not exactly prominent, either on our
current web site or on beta.ietf.org.  Might I suggest that "Getting
Involved" be just a bit more prominently featured?

Eliot
[1] https://www.ietf.org/tao.html
[2] https://www.ietf.org/edu/documents/81IETF-New-Work.pdf
* (Both of these works were fine documents and remain mostly fine, and
it was awfully generous of those who put them together to have done so).

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email