Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP
Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Mon, 10 August 2015 20:26 UTC
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Speaking from my own experience of a similar document: At the time of issuing RFC 2804, "IETF Policy on Wiretapping" (which is also Informational), the thinking of the IESG and IAB was that the IESG and IAB (a finite set of individuals) were able to make a strong statement that "we have consensus on this position", while attempting to make a BCP (which implies that the IETF community has consensus on the position) was much more difficult - there would always be SOME people who would not want to be counted as part of the consensus, and others who would argue that some other people (who were not part of the debate) would disagree, and would therefore invalidate the idea of there being a consensus. (I think the logic of this argument is suspect, but that's another matter.) The thinking then was that we should issue an Informational because we could do that in a timely fashion, but wouldn't be able to get a BCP in a timely fashion. The times may be different. We may have established a smooth IETF consensus on RFC 1984 over the intervening years, and BCP would just be an acknowledgement of that status. I am willing to be counted as part of the consensus for RFC 1984 as a BCP. Harald
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Paul Hoffman
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael Richardson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Paul Wouters
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Bob Hinden
- Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Sam Hartman
- Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael Richardson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Joe Touch
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Sam Hartman
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP David Farmer
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Scott O. Bradner
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Pete Resnick
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Joe Touch
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Nico Williams
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP IAB Chair
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Nico Williams
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Touch
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Nico Williams
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP ned+ietf
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… Michael StJohns
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Abley
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Roy T. Fielding
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Joe Abley
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Sam Hartman
- Re: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as… John C Klensin
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP james woodyatt
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Pete Resnick
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael StJohns
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Pete Resnick
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael StJohns
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Levine
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Michael StJohns
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP manning
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Leslie
- Re: [saag] Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Donald Eastlake
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John G. Scudder
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Leslie
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Simon Josefsson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Levine
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Leslie
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eric Burger
- Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Stewart Bryant
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eric Burger
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stewart Bryant
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Harald Alvestrand
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP t.p.
- Re: Nuanced points and RFC 1984 Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Måns Nilsson
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Avri Doria
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Dave Crocker
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Randy Bush
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Stephen Farrell
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP Eliot Lear
- Re: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP John Curran